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The Dam has Broken for SL

RobbyRacoon Olmstead
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07-29-2007 20:43
From: Ciaran Laval
I kept saying people don't pay tax on L$, because as you yourself say, whilst it's L$ it's not taxable.


yes, yes, yes... You are talking about one thing, and everyone else is talking about another, and you haven't hammered your point into the ground sufficiently yet. It's a hard, hard thing to be a crusader, isn't it?

It really isn't necessary to be so nitpicky when someone says that they pay their taxes, you know damned good and well what they mean.


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Ciaran Laval
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07-29-2007 21:08
From: RobbyRacoon Olmstead


It really isn't necessary to be so nitpicky when someone says that they pay their taxes, you know damned good and well what they mean.


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Considering that the OP who started this thread was talking about tax in a new light for the world, then it was neccessary to be nitpicky. Just as you deemed it neccessary to put your two cents in.
Ava Glasgow
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07-29-2007 21:14
From: Colette Meiji
this thread title is worded wrong

it should be:

That Dam SL has broken.

there that should help


:D

Colette got the answer. Bickering can stop now. :p
Fade Languish
I just build stuff...
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07-29-2007 22:25
From: Mickey James
Really. I've been in SL just nine months and I've already seen its obituary written six or seven times. Every time there is any significant policy change/announcement, there come the inevitable lamentations. "this is the end of SL." yadda yadda yadda.


The end has been nigh as long as I've been in SL. I've lost track.
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Colette Meiji
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07-29-2007 22:41
From: Fade Languish
The end has been nigh as long as I've been in SL. I've lost track.


The windlight sky is falling!
Eric Cale
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07-29-2007 22:43
That makes me ask a question, does Anshe Chung get taxed? Does she even live in the United States?
Fade Languish
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07-29-2007 22:44
From: Colette Meiji
The windlight sky is falling!


We'll be too dazzled by the shiny to notice!
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Fade Languish
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07-29-2007 22:45
From: Eric Cale
That makes me ask a question, does Anshe Chung get taxed? Does she even live in the United States?


I hear they have taxes in all sorts of countries.
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Colette Meiji
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07-29-2007 22:55
From: Eric Cale
That makes me ask a question, does Anshe Chung get taxed? Does she even live in the United States?


Who Knows?

She lives in Germany
Fade Languish
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07-29-2007 23:00
The tax thing is really a non-issue. If you sell your L$ for US$, that's income, and you declare it as such according to the laws of your country.
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Ava Glasgow
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07-29-2007 23:03
From: Fade Languish
I hear they have taxes in all sorts of countries.


Balderdash!

Next thing you know, you'll be telling me they have LAWS too! :p
RobbyRacoon Olmstead
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07-29-2007 23:05
From: Ciaran Laval
Considering that the OP who started this thread was talking about tax in a new light for the world, then it was neccessary to be nitpicky. Just as you deemed it neccessary to put your two cents in.


No, it wasn't necessary and you know it :)

The original poster's entire point about taxes hinges on the mistaken belief that "Linden Labs has made a defacto admission that Linden Dollars are indeed a true currency".

They have done no such thing, although it is certainly in their best interest to make sure that if government agencies do eventually decide that it is "a true currency" that they (LL) at least have taken some steps toward damage control.

Many of us residents already pay taxes on what we make from "cashing out" our $L from SL despite the fact that there have been no legal rulings on whether it is required, even if we are not absolutely certain that the $L itself is a true currency. I pay taxes on income earned from SL myself, primarily because I do not want the IRS to decide some day that I owe them two years of back taxes. I see some of LL's recent moves as being similarly proactive, and I support such decisions.

Being asinine and saying "it was necessary" might be fun for you, but it doesn't change the fact that you knew damned well what was meant by the posts you were replying to.

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Colette Meiji
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07-29-2007 23:20
From: Ava Glasgow
Balderdash!

Next thing you know, you'll be telling me they have LAWS too! :p


except agaisnt online gambling.
Star Quintus
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07-29-2007 23:26
From: Fade Languish
The tax thing is really a non-issue. If you sell your L$ for US$, that's income, and you declare it as such according to the laws of your country.


Income.

Lets define that.

So... selling your used games, computer parts for cash is classified as income? You declare what you work for, and SL is a virtual world... converting L$ to $ could be declared as an income and those who do, are simply losing out. Those who don't gain. Remember, your authorities can not do anything to you unless you have laws on virtual incomes. Because you could have easily been selling your used stuff and when you convert that to cash, you class it as income and lose it. Why? besides... whatelse can governments come up with to make more money i wonder *thinks*
Eric Cale
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07-29-2007 23:29
From: Colette Meiji
The windlight sky is falling!


Considering it's only 300 meters up from the ground, I can see that.
Fade Languish
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07-29-2007 23:34
From: Star Quintus
Income.

Lets define that.

So... selling your used games, computer parts for cash is classified as income? You declare what you work for, and SL is a virtual world... converting L$ to $ could be declared as an income and those who do, are simply losing out. Those who don't gain. Remember, your authorities can not do anything to you unless you have laws on virtual incomes. Because you could have easily been selling your used stuff and when you convert that to cash, you class it as income and lose it. Why? besides... whatelse can governments come up with to make more money i wonder *thinks*


Your country's tax laws will define income for you. In most cases I think you'll find, that US$ hitting your bank account as proceeds of a business will count as income. It's not "could be declared" - it's should.

The existing tax laws adequately cover income from a business, the virtual nature does not exempt this.
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Colette Meiji
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07-29-2007 23:48
From: Eric Cale
Considering it's only 300 meters up from the ground, I can see that.


Yikes I live "over" the new sky?

0.0
Aleister Montgomery
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07-30-2007 00:13
From: Eric Cale
That makes me ask a question, does Anshe Chung get taxed? Does she even live in the United States?


If she isn't married, the German tax authorities will get close to 50% of her income :) if she doesn't commit tax fraud, that is. Of course, only the amount she cashes out is taxable, not monopoly money income.
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RobbyRacoon Olmstead
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07-30-2007 00:32
From: Aleister Montgomery
If she isn't married, the German tax authorities will get close to 50% of her income :) if she doesn't commit tax fraud, that is. Of course, only the amount she cashes out is taxable, not monopoly money income.


I believe I read quite recently that she is married.
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Tegg Bode
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07-30-2007 00:33
From: BunBun Eun
Has it hit anyone yet?

With this act of banning virtual gaming involving L$ in its product Linden Labs has made a defacto admission that Linden Dollars are indeed a true currency. And, as such, L$ will shortly become subject to all income and taxing regulations regarding said “real world” currencies; throwing the door open wide to taxation and regulation by every country in the world.

They can no longer stand on the long held (and difficult to challenge) position that Linden Dollars are just cyber game licensed tokens and, in and of themselves, have no value.

The "dam" is broken; the flood is on the way. Watch as the “wave” washes away LL when it gets far enough down river.

By this one act LL has destroyed itself. It will just take a little bit of time for the "scavengers" that are the varied and numerous world government taxing entities to sniff out and devour the wounded carcass.

RIP SL


Cool expert economics commentry from a noob witth less than a month and 11 posts under their belt :P
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