Boycot new age verification

I propose all private sim owners who are currently using the reasonable means provided to restrict their 'Mature' lands to write their concierge team and tell them that they will not be burdening their guests with the new age verification requirements by flagging their land 'Adult' as well.

I won't support this new policy and drive off visitors who have already shown to be mature enough to be there just because they won't give up such sensitive data on themselves to register with some dubious 'third party' database. If enough sim owners refuse this, the policy will become unpoliceable.

im hoping my sim owner goes with it im tired of the obnoxious griefers we get and the people that act like children that could be children

people have been screaming to bring back age verification now its comin back andpeople are still cryin

this to me is the way to go its alot harder for a child to get their parents ss card or id then their credit card and those griefers that easily make account after account wont have the time to go thru this every time

why is it any harder its just a document presumably left laying in a draw at home somewhere ?

Age verification will simply be another challenge to a teenager - this isnt for teen-prevention; this is so that SL can ascertain user information and a "footprint" for commerical dynamics and profits. Soon we will be opening the system to kids and teens and then the system will really overload. This is - truly - a disaster that is not waiting to happen - it is going to happen.

omg boycott those screaming to boycott avs !!!11!!!

I already have the land barred to people without payment info on file, and griefers have been very rare as a result. If some child goes to extraordinary lengths to get themselves verified adult, then why should I make policy that demands extraordinary lengths of everyone else to address this exception to the rule? I don't see it as necessary, because immature users will identify themselves as such, regardless of their true age, and will alienate current users or otherwise earn themselves a ban.

I'm speaking as someone who did act mature enough to be accepted in adult communities before I was of age, and I would've been indignant at the suggestion that I needed any 'protection' from adult subject matter. The clear and simple policy is this: If you act old enough to be there, you are. And this policy will clearly and simply protect both the immature from mature communities, and the mature communities from the immature.

you do realize most none payment info on file people are in fact adults right?
its a myth that the non verifieds are all kids. I had accidently turned it on once and someone who had normally accessed my stuff send me a chat asking me why they were no longer allowed in. I felt very bad she was a nice person and an adult who just liked to play the trivia on the lot by the sea shore she was trying to learn to speak english using the trivia there and lived next door on the lot next to me. She simply couldn't get verified with LL because of where she lived but was able to manage to get money into a private estate by earning it so she lived on estate land. So this mytch that all unverifieds are kids or griefers or "ebil" its just not true.

i'm speaking as an adult who sees 20 threads on the same subject floading the forum when one or two would do nicely and am not starting my own but am considering starting a thread with a poll on it to vote on how many age verification threads is considered enough to cover the entire forum!

Why are people not getting that marking a parcel adult means it has xxx content?
You might be able to ban non verified people without marking your land as a red light district.

I didn't start this thread to discuss it, it started it to discuss doing something about it, something no one else seems to have done. I see many complainers and many supporters, but now I'm encouraging taking action to show Linden Labs the negative impact of this policy. And for all the pros and cons, I haven't seen anyone discuss an alternative with fewer cons, while Linden is determined to carry on with a solution worse than the problem they're trying solve, and will fail to solve.

And certainly 'Mature' land holding residents who support for the policy may wish to show it by mailing their conceirge team as well, but if there's too much dissent for the policy for it to ever be practically implemented, then it doesn't really matter what the intent or execution is; it isn't going to happen.

And you have proof of this? Or is this just an opinion?
'Cuz it's stated as fact. Just wondering where the links are, where the documentation is.

I think a lot of people are confusing the mature sim status with the new adult material parcel ratings.

Just because you live on mature land, or have a business in a mature area, doesn't mean it will fall under adult content, unless you specifically have xxx rated merchandise or services.

My sincerest deepest apologies Mickey. I certainly didnt wish to offend you. I type as I speak that is all - no not stated as fact really but ... er have you ever been involved in marketing? Because I have.

I'm not under any confusion, I simply read 'mature' to mean you are of age and that you get no more guarantee that you will be protected from speech or images than if you were browsing the web or riding a subway. The 'adult' label is redundant, and the verification system asks everyone to take a risk on their identity info just to give teenagers what Jig called simply another challenge, and pay for it on top of that.

I also don't permit guests to my sim to proceed with any confusion as to the type of RP environment it is; there will be mature situations that may be explicitly violent and/or explicitly sexual. I have taken all reasonable steps to ensure the maturity and consent of participants in such activity, and to burden the userbase any further on the assumption that bright and determined kids couldn't be bright and determined enough to undermine this new system is unconscienable.

Actually, you DID state it as fact. "This is a..." That's a statement. These sorts of unsubstantiated statements add nothing to the conversation, nor do they help in any way.

And you didn't offend me. I was just asking if you had verification of your statement or if you were just talking out of your ass.
And yes, I spent FAR too many years in marketing, branding and advertising. I'm very happily out of it now. Not sure what that has to do with this, other than to explain why you didn't actually answer the question.

So, no? You don't have verification? It's just an opinion?

Really?

Have you paid attention to all the massive breaches of private data that have occurred, not just with LL, but with many companies, including the government?

Do you realize that your medical and financial records are in databases in India and China?

Do you realize that teens are a hell of a lot more computer savvy than most adults?

Do you realize that most of your information is already publicly available on the web? All an ID thief needs is the last 4 digits of your SS number, and guess what, it won't be long until some kid is signing into SL as YOU.

Do you have any idea how damaging ID theft is to a persons life?

Are you still feeling comfortable and smug at the end of your keyboard?

Let's not overlook the effect this has of commercializing sexual expression. While Linden Labs takes responsibility for enforcing it's own TOS for access to adult expression, that expression is anyone's right. Now that they've passed the cost and risk to everyone who legitimately joins under that TOS, anyone who opts in by paying the cost is effectively a porn consumer. This is a huge turn-off and insult to valued contributors to my community. And the result is going to be just as imperfectly effective in keeping out minors as the verification methods already in place.

Oh, let's not waste breath on the naive 'protecting the kiddies' argument -- left to their own devices these kids hormonal imaginations produce some materials and situations that would shock some of you sheltered 'adults'...and they'll compete with each other to be the most shocking and raunchy.

If this measure makes more sense than leaving the responsibility with the parents, then why don't we all agree to be taxed for teen pregnancy rates?

I think that this is taking it a bit to far. Liden Lab's is requesting personal information to verify age. How many of you have ever given out your social security number or your driver's license number to play a game? What about people who do not have a national issued number, or drive?

There are many adult verification services out on the market right now. None that I have come across have ever asked for a driver's license number let alone a social security number. How many porno sites request such?

Also, this is the kind of information that is used in identity theft. How do we know that the data is not going to get leaked out by a disgruntled employee, or sold to a third party? Oh I know, this will never happen. Of course not, Liden Labs is a secure site, that would never let something like this happen. Even though banks, and other financial institution that would be considered almost experts on the subject, have had such proceedings happen.

Yep let me give all of my personal information to a game company. Let me put such trust to somebody I don't know. Makes perfect sense. And for what? So that I can go to a “red light” zone of a game. I verified my age when I entered credit card information. If that is not good enough for Liden Labs then they can take their game and stick it where the sun does not shine.

What is the next step? Is Liden labs going to start doing credit checks to see your credit history, to make sure your financially responsible enough to play a game? They will certainly have enough information to do so once they start this policy.

I think the only reasonable next step is for all SL users to make their bank records availiable to LL. Why not? They are asking for everything else. The only reasonable solution for all of this is for LL to require every SL resident to show up at LL HQ in San Francisco with proof of their existense in hand plus a willingness to submit to DNA testing.

After all this is the USA and the land of attorneys.

people are under the impression that this is to protect the children... its not, its to protect LL and the land owners and content providers in SL. Its the lawyers that are going to sue LL and the land owners and the content providers in SL that are claiming to "protect the children" while lining their own pockets with 40% of the winnings.

They have to have a way that legally shows they attempt to keep underage users away from adult materials. What other way to people suggest? a real way that will stand up in court. Credit card numbers will not stand up in court as the CC companies outright say DO NOT USE CC INFO FOR AGE VERIFICATION. you do NOT have to be 18+ to get a credit card in your name.... let alone a Visa gift card that a 12 year old can buy at walmart...

I'm just concerned if it will actually work for me.

I've got citizenship to two countries, USA and one of the EU countries, and neither are the country where I reside. So all I have is passport information.

Drivers license - I haven't driven in years. My drivers license from the states is so expired its not even funny.

SS Info, yeah, but ... that's useless on a form geared to a european country, and no, I don't have an ID card because I'm not a citizen.

So I could well fall through the cracks of some form geared very narrowly to the country I live in, and it's happened before here.

please take the time to read this post about age verification.

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I second that!

SO what your saying is you have duel citizenship AND resident of a foreign country without a Picture ID, I find that extremely hard to believe and I think your fudging just a little bit to be dramatic

Here's the thing - this ISN'T what people have been wanting.

What happened was LL let ANYBODY in to SL with no verification of any sort required whatsoever - not even verifying e-mail address to make sure they were even legitimate.

People thought that was awful. People wanted residents to be verified, as they used to be.

But it sure boosted the numbers.

Now we've GOT people no one knows who they are, or how old they are, or even what their e-mail address is!

So now that LL has created this huge problem, they are going to put in much worse things nobody ever asked for in the first place.

In other words, if they hadn't made it a free-for-all, they probably wouldn't be having to do this now. This ISN'T what people were asking for.

I personally think they have survived some sort of close call brought about by this free-for-all policy, involving an adult and a child, with perhaps threatening letters from parents or their attorney, and it scared them.

And/or the incident with John Edwards being asked by FoxTV, I believe it was, about being on SL along with ageplay, and/or the big companies that are here now - those pressures could have had an influence.

I also think they plan to combine the teen and adult grids.

But in any case, no one ever asked for this.

coco

This thread, as happens so often in the blogs here, has deviated so far from the original intent that it is unrecognisable.
It would seem the majority of the people who have posted here are against the new proposal, with a vocal minority for it. However that wasnt the purpose here. Linded Labs have reserved the right to change the rules and move the goalposts mig-game at whim. They can only do this if we let them. I persoanlly would sooner have vital body parts removed than to flag my land adult, even though i only have a 3600m parcel. My opinion, and that of Prodigal will not matter worth a damn to the Lindens. If people here and now support this then if enough do so LL will have to at least reconsider. So here is the short of it...

I will NOT flag my land adult. Prodigal will NOT flag his land adult. Your turn.