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How to kill your business without really trying

Phil Deakins
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03-08-2008 15:59
The html pages are created solely for the All search rankings, and I assume they thought that classifieds text doesn't fit the bill.

I've never been able to have more than me and one alt showing in search (with html pages), but I'm surprised if you only have one alt and it doesn't show.
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Minke Bailey
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03-08-2008 16:28
From: Phil Deakins
If it's not you to do it, ok, but some of your customers, and probably some of your friends, added your place to their picks because they wanted to - either as a quick way of getting there, or because they wanted to help promote your place a bit. It doesn't hurt to IM them, explaining briefly what happened, and asking them if they'd like to go back and redo the pick. Some of them may appreciate you letting them know that then pick they have is no longer helping in the search results, and how to make it count again. When I did it, I got replies from some of them, praising my stuff - they really did want to help.


I am pretty sure that some of my customers or friends would be more than happy to help me with my current situation, but with all the recent group- / notecard- and whatever spam going on in SL many people seem to be very sensitive when it it comes to "messages out of the blue", so I'm really not sure if it's a good idea to go for it, I hate the thought of being associated with any kind of spamming because I know how annoying it can be at times.

If my ranking doesn't correct itself over time I'll have to give this some more thought of course, even though I'm really not comforable with it.

My decision for now is to take some time off, I will of course still answer my messages and questions, but apart from that I think I really should focus on something else to get away from my frustration over this issue ;-)
Bronte Wade
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03-08-2008 17:13
3 weeks ago we purchased our neighbours land and joined it to our good genuine traffic club ...we immediately dropped out of 'All' search....I have contacted LL and spoke to a few Lindens who have simply passed off the issue as being 'A Search Engine' thing...

I was puzzled by this as our keywords hadn't changed - and wasn't happy with the suggestion that we should just wait and see...

Anyhow 3 weeks later and we are still not in there and I have no idea what the hell I am meant to do now....we show in places which is at least something but we are paying to be in search and not showing up.

I am sort of relief to see its because of a bug but thats doesn't help the listing ....and more distressing LL will not be assisting those effected ...

People work hard to get good listings - we refuse to use campers so our traffic has been generated by a lot of hard work and I want back what I have worked for and paid for. This is not my bug and I fail to see why we should be suffering for it......

Would love to hear any advice ...Bronte Wade
Phil Deakins
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03-08-2008 17:33
It's not traffic that will propel your place very far up the rankings, as traffic doesn't count for much. It's those Picks that were mentioned in the blog post. You need to deal with that. It took me 4 days to get my rankings back. It could have been much quicker, but I took my time over it.
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Colette Meiji
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03-08-2008 17:34
Nowadays not only do you need traffic bots,

But you have to log each bot on and put your location in their picks.
Felix Oxide
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03-08-2008 17:43
From: Phil Deakins
It's not traffic that will propel your place very far up the rankings, as traffic doesn't count for much. It's those Picks that were mentioned in the blog post. You need to deal with that. It took me 4 days to get my rankings back. It could have been much quicker, but I took my time over it.


I notice many many people still use the old search rather than the new search. While many less popular content creators may dislike the gaming of the old search, many people still like to use the old search based on those rankings, gamed or not. Places search is always the first place i myself go when I am searching.
Phil Deakins
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03-08-2008 19:13
Yes, but Bronte's ranking drops are in the All search.
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Cristalle Karami
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03-08-2008 19:14
Quite candidly, the new search isn't for you. It's not for "power users" and it's not designed to be a tool exclusively for shopping. It has a mixed purpose. I kind of like the new search, but I'm not sold on it because of problems like these. But it's apparently being used a LOT, and it's time people start optimizing for it.
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Nuno McCullough
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03-12-2008 06:01
It might not be the right thread but let me try:

A friend of mine is proposing a business partnership on a new shop, is there a way of 2 avatars rent a shop? and the expenses and (possible) profits? how does it's divided between the two of us?
Phil Deakins
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03-12-2008 07:26
In SL, only one person can own a thing. If 2 people rent a shop space, then only one will be the actual renter/tenant, and have to pay the rent. They would make a personal agreement that the other pays his/her share to the tenant.
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Phil Deakins
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03-12-2008 07:29
Since this thread has been bumped up...

It's good to know that yesterday's rolling restart fixed land joining problem.
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Princess Ivory
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03-12-2008 07:42
From: Nuno McCullough
It might not be the right thread but let me try:

A friend of mine is proposing a business partnership on a new shop, is there a way of 2 avatars rent a shop? and the expenses and (possible) profits? how does it's divided between the two of us?


Regarding splitting the profits, look on SLExchange for Andrea Caligari's products. She has a commission split vendor that you can use for each object in your store, so that you can specify the exact percentage that goes to the person who doesn't own the vendor board. There may be others, but hers is the one I know about. I believe it's free, or very low cost.

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03-17-2008 20:22
From: Phil Deakins
Since this thread has been bumped up...

It's good to know that yesterday's rolling restart fixed land joining problem.

Hey Phil,
Am I to take this to say that LL has worked out a specific join order for parcels, so that an owner can know which parcel to link in which order in order to maintain search listings and/or picks/landmarks? If so, which order is correct? Is it like prims, i.e. the last parcel selected will be the parcel associated with all the picks and landmarks?
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03-17-2008 22:21
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The easiest way to kill your business, take all your products (ie delist) away until there is nothing left.
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Solomon Devoix
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03-17-2008 22:28
From: Oryx Tempel
Hey Phil,
Am I to take this to say that LL has worked out a specific join order for parcels, so that an owner can know which parcel to link in which order in order to maintain search listings and/or picks/landmarks? If so, which order is correct? Is it like prims, i.e. the last parcel selected will be the parcel associated with all the picks and landmarks?

According to the blog, it's the LARGEST parcel whose land settings get used; so it's size, not order, that determines it.
Wildefire Walcott
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03-17-2008 22:34
From: Solomon Devoix
According to the blog, it's the LARGEST parcel whose land settings get used; so it's size, not order, that determines it.

Yeah the join order thing was a myth anyway; it was really determined by a timestamp value that was not visible to residents, so was, in effect, random from a user perspective. But it is supposedly the biggest parcel, yeah. I'm still afraid to try it tho. =)
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Oryx Tempel
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03-17-2008 23:39
So am I, considering that I have two parcels, each at 14208, that I want to combine into one parcel.... One is the original shop, the other was next door that I bought from a friend.
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Cristalle Karami
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03-17-2008 23:47
From: Oryx Tempel
So am I, considering that I have two parcels, each at 14208, that I want to combine into one parcel.... One is the original shop, the other was next door that I bought from a friend.
Subdivide the newer one, and then join them to the big parcel one at a time.
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Phil Deakins
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03-18-2008 06:11
Ditto to what's been said already. The new parcel's data is taken from the largest parcel, so make sure that only smaller parcels are joined to one that has important rankings/Picks.

Making it the 'last selected' would have been an easier method for users, but I suspect that it would have taken longer to code, and the way they've done it is workable for users - and it was done very quickly! The old method used parcel IDs, sorted in numerical order (not the parcel keys that we're used to), and the first in the list (the lowest number) won. I imagine that the process already had the land sizes, and that it was a simple case of sorting those instead, and using the largest number - a quick and usable fix, even though it does mean that we will sometimes need to cut a parcel to make sure it is smaller than the important one, as in your case Oryx.
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03-18-2008 07:34
i had my land/store owning alt, group owning camper alt and me (3Ring POF) all add the store to our picks, and then i fell back 3 pages in the listing.

no other changes were made. bad timing? bad luck? others add picks all over i dunno about? the picks logic doesn't stand, with my experience.
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