Do you agree with LL's Definition of Trolling?

A well known blogger today posted an email she got from LL, where she was accused of trolling in the JIRA. I'm not going to name her because this post isn't about her.

But I thought the definition LL gave for trolling was bizzare, and I wanted to see what others here think, and get some thoughts on it. So here's their definition verbatim:



Does that meet your definition of Trolling, and why or why not?

Using that definition, every opinion ever stated would/could qualify.

Perhaps threads containing benign recapitulation is what they are looking for.

If your opinion is contrary....it's hardly intentional....it's just the way it is.

Yes....if it's contrary.....it will incite and get argumentative opinions.

So....no contrary opinions allowed???

My definition of a troll has always been...... anyone who has the time and nerve to send me a message inworld and accuse me of being a troll because I have one of those contrary opinions.

Ooops.

You know, I just realized, that by starting this thread, I posted an opinion with the intent of getting argumentative opinions. My very posting of this thread meets the definition. LOL

I'm still stuck on what an 'argumentative opinion' is.....

You know perfectly well what an "argumentative opinion" is; you're just being intentionally obtuse.

BURN THE TROLL !11!!eleventy11!

The Linden that wrote that needs to be taken out back of the woodshed and shot, and would be if LL had a REAL CS/CM team.

I voted "No". Certainly that warning to "that blogger" throws a very bad picture on LL and their handling of discrepancies in opinions. There was nothing really in the Jira discussion that would warrant such a warning, but it was nothing more than that either, only a warning.

However "that blogger" has a long history of doing exactly what the warning was about, not necessarily trolling, but being aggressive, looking for confrontation and calling a number of people idiots, being stupid and other things. So I think the warning was in the interests of all not to let things escalate in a technical discussion environment.

I vote NO. But then I am often "intentionally contrary".

Seems like LL are beginning to be repressive.

A popular Group for all SL SIM owners was yesterday censored by LL in no uncertain terms during a LL meeting which we attended. What had been a friendly community Group of SIM owners monitored by LL employees has to now follow archaeic guidelines and we're discouraged from having off-topic chats......which is a shame as that is how the Community grew in the first place.

I'm not sure what LL is playing at, but god help them if a viable alternative VW platform ever emerged.

Close enough. Intentionally posting an inflammatory opinion just to get a rise out of people is what trolling is all about.

Another epic FAIL by Linden Lab.

This definition certainly encompasses trolling, but it is far too broad. There is a difference between "trolling" and a minority opinion, or even an opinion stated in the knowledge that it is unpopular and will provoke responses.

In general, you can't point to any single post in a discussion and say, "this is trolling". Trolling is a behavior pattern that makes itself apparent over a series of posts and counters.

Somebody on another forum once posted a long quotation that closely defined trolling, trolls, how to spot them, how to deal with them. I wish I knew where to find it again.

/me votes yes though it's close..

The original Usenet Troll:

There is a difference between argument and discussion.

Did the person who got the notice from Linden Lab come from the Jira to this forum to brag about posting a Jira not to resolve any Second Life issues, but solely to upset a particular Linden? I think that act would add support as to ill intent.

Given the blogger in question, it's a wonder her attitude and words haven't gotten her banned years ago.

If you don't know all the story and history, it's hard to make a informed decision on a individual basis

If a Linden is getting it's poor little feelings hurt, then it needs to find another job.

Should Trolling be allowed on PG land, or should it be Adult or Mature content?

Trolling is very subjective and frequently defined by people as "anything I dislike or disagree with."


True trolling is being intentionally inflammatory for effect and warped personal amusement. I would not place the blogger in question in that category.

I would.

anymore a 'troll' is anyone that disagrees with the popular opinion, and is capable of mounting a counterargument to justify against said opinion.

to see this in full effect, have a look at slu.

In my opinion "argumentative opinions" are different from "conflicting opinions". The former is simply a flame in order to incite reactions with no actual productive context. The latter is the basis of actually disagreeing with the statement you're responding to. (^_^)

Really, to me:
... means saying "no" for the sake of saying "no" with no intent to actually contribute to the conversation/debate. (^_^)

I had to deal with someone just like that last night. A group of us were helping a person with her questions over "lag" and what's causing what. This person, who was a prior helper before, would sit there and simply express how "wrong" we were without contributing anything to actually help the person. In the end, it became impossible to truly come to a descent response to her questions because we were constantly responding with the supporting facts of your own statements to deal with the perpetual debunking we were receiving. Eventually, we simply gave up and let this person "win" the argument to the point where the questions never got answers and we were left with nothing more than an uncomfortable silence. (=_=)

Truly. It's the difference between an argument and an attitude. (^_^)y

Heh... I sure got bit in the butt over pointing out a 16 prim furniture thing for sale that appeared to be 5 prims. Considering the builder is a forum regular, it became quickly apparent that criticism of his work was highly unwelcome. (=_=)y

Sorta on topic

On trolling/fighting and people feeling empowers to be nasty by virtue of anonymity and physical untouchability -

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-157823.html?tag=btxcsim

Includes:


Annnnnnnnnnd:


Hmmmmm. Is the virtual 3D world the 'Mature' between the 'PG' of RL and the 'Adult' of the Forums?




All is known. Phil is watching you. He's everywhere.
Be very afraid.
Run away!

Oh, well that makes it alright then. While we are at it, let's insult his mother and post pictures of him with devil's horns drawn-in, on the Jira pages.