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Marianne McCann
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11-02-2009 22:40
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Oh, and congrats, Mari, btw!


Thanks!
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Rhonda Huntress
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11-03-2009 05:51
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11-03-2009 06:13
From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
FYI, we're talking about participating in a domestic violence awareness fundraiser starting from Dec 1-15th so we'll spam you all later to buy our stuff, even if you think it's craptastic, because 100% goes to charity!
I look forward to reading about the battered husbands who are helped by this initiative.

Pep (Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.)
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11-03-2009 06:40
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Awwwww! Y'all met/got together in RL!!! (Yeah, I'm bright like that, figure things out quickly from very little info, heehee) Congratulations, so glad that was a good time for you both!

presumptuous. two friends can't have fab weekends, yet not be together?
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11-03-2009 06:42
From: Treasure Ballinger
Is there a reason for your party? (nosy question, eh, well the worst you can do is say 'nunya'.) So doesn't hurt to ask. :D

just 'cause we like to be with our friends. :D
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11-03-2009 07:00
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The Chargers give new meaning to the term "ugly win". But I suppose any win against the hated ones is ok. :D

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Maureen Boccaccio
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11-03-2009 07:06
Good morning, Threadies. :)

lol...look at all the FOOD on this table!!!

Maureen Boccaccio
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11-03-2009 07:09
That coffee cup looked empty:

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11-03-2009 07:26
LOL @ the donut up on top of the fruit.
Joshooah Lovenkraft
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11-03-2009 07:46
From: Pserendipity Daniels
I look forward to reading about the battered husbands who are helped by this initiative.

Pep (Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.)


Sure domestic violence can occur in all sorts of relationships and crosses all boundaries of age, race, socio-economic status, culture, sexual orientation, or educational levels etc. With respect to gender, of course both men and women can be abused, but we all know it happens primarily to women. Shelter services are primarily offered to women and children for this particularly charity but they offer a host of other counseling, legal and referral services that I don't think are gender specific.

I feel strongly that it isn't just a women's issue, as it affects everyone one around you and festers through generations in families. Although I grew up in a pretty normal and loving, traditional family without any form of domestic violence, violence against women is an important issue to me. Back in 1989 on Dec 6th, a man by the name of Marc Lépine walked into l'École Polytechnique de Montréal armed with a semi-automatic rifle and a hunting knife. He walked into a mechanical engineering class and deliberately separated the men from the women. Before opening fire in the engineering class, he calls the women "une gang de féministes" and says "J'haïs les féministes!". He ended up killing 14 women, injuring 4 men and 10 women in under 20 minutes before killing himself. One of the women murdered was my friend's older sister.
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11-03-2009 08:04
From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
Sure domestic violence can occur in all sorts of relationships and crosses all boundaries of age, race, socio-economic status, culture, sexual orientation, or educational levels etc. With respect to gender, of course both men and women can be abused, but we all know it happens primarily to women. Shelter services are primarily offered to women and children for this particularly charity but they offer a host of other counseling, legal and referral services that I don't think are gender specific.

I feel strongly that it isn't just a women's issue, as it affects everyone one around you and festers through generations in families. Although I grew up in a pretty normal and loving, traditional family without any form of domestic violence, violence against women is an important issue to me. Back in 1989 on Dec 6th, a man by the name of Marc Lépine walked into l'École Polytechnique de Montréal armed with a semi-automatic rifle and a hunting knife. He walked into a mechanical engineering class and deliberately separated the men from the women. Before opening fire in the engineering class, he calls the women "une gang de féministes" and says "J'haïs les féministes!". He ended up killing 14 women, injuring 4 men and 10 women in under 20 minutes before killing himself. One of the women murdered was my friend's older sister.
Fine, but what about the battered husbands?

Pep ("Primarily offered"? Does this mean that they don't offer the same sort of protection to men at all? If so, that is unfair, and I don't think it is worthy of support.)

PS How do you "know" it happens primarily to women? Men are significantly less likely to report such happenings, so you are guessing.
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Joshooah Lovenkraft
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11-03-2009 08:06
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Fine, but what about the battered husbands?

Pep ("Primarily offered"? Does this mean that they don't offer the same sort of protection to men at all? If so, that is unfair, and I don't think it is worthy of support.)


Lots of things are unfair so just choose not to support it.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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11-03-2009 08:09
From: Pserendipity Daniels
I look forward to reading about the battered husbands who are helped by this initiative.

Pep (Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.)

Josh has answered this eloquently and succinctly. Domestic abuse is NOT "just" a woman's issue; it has devastating consequences that echo across gender boundaries, and through generations of the affected. Addressing the roots of domestic violence involves wrestling with ALL kinds of gender abuse, including that involving battered husbands.

The anniversary of the Montreal Massacre (December 6) is actually an "officially" recognized day of commemoration in Canada; it is marked by vigils, workshops, and other events across the country. This year, it is also part of a larger international commemoration, called "16 Days of Activism Against Gender Violence." This event begins on November 25 (International Day Against Violence Against Women) and December 10 (International Human Rights Day); the significance of the latter date is precisely that it identifies gender violence as a human rights issue, and not "merely" as a feminist one.

A number of activists groups in SL are working together to create a programme of workshops, seminars, exhibits, and entertainment events as part of the observation of the 16 Days; the theme in-world is "Take Back the Tech." Anyone who is interested in getting involved is more than welcome to contact me.

(And yes, that includes you, Pep.)
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11-03-2009 08:09
From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
Lots of things are unfair so just choose not to support it.
I shan't.

Pep (and I would encourage others not to do so; I would also suggest that charitable promotions for unfair causes - as you seem to have agreed that this is an example of - should not be promoted in these forums.)
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Joshooah Lovenkraft
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11-03-2009 08:14
From: Pserendipity Daniels
I shan't.

Pep (and I would encourage others not to do so; I would also suggest that charitable promotions for unfair causes - as you seem to have agreed that this is an example of - should not be promoted in these forums.)


And with those words, you're probably garnering more support for this "unfair" cause than if you had said nothing. :)
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Scylla Rhiadra
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11-03-2009 08:18
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Fine, but what about the battered husbands?

Pep ("Primarily offered"? Does this mean that they don't offer the same sort of protection to men at all? If so, that is unfair, and I don't think it is worthy of support.)

PS How do you "know" it happens primarily to women? Men are significantly less likely to report such happenings, so you are guessing.

Yes, under-reporting is a significant problem. However, the stats that we have indicate that

1) violence against men by women is a SIGNIFICANTLY less common occurrence, even taking into account the probability of under-reporting

2) the physical damage inflicted on women by men is SIGNIFICANTLY more severe, on average, than that inflicted by women on men. Part of the way in which this stat is compiled involves an examination of "objective" data, including record of mortality and hospitalization caused by abuse

Pep, NO one I've ever met who is serious about domestic abuse wants to exclude battered men from their consideration. It's all about VIOLENCE, not about who is beating up whom. The fact that the feminist movement has taken this on is in part a reflection of the lopsided stats, but it is also due to the fact, to put it simply, that NO ONE ELSE has.

(As a sidenote, one of the things that most pissed me off about some of the responses I got to the boycott campaign against the "battered" SL skins were those that suggested that there was no reason not to think that the hypothetical damaged woman "didn't give back as good as she got." The attitude that the best response to domestic abuse is to teach women how to be better at bashing their husbands back really really really misses the point for just the reasons I've suggested above.)
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11-03-2009 08:18
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Josh has answered this eloquently and succinctly. Domestic abuse is NOT "just" a woman's issue; it has devastating consequences that echo across gender boundaries, and through generations of the affected. Addressing the roots of domestic violence involves wrestling (***SIC***) with ALL kinds of gender abuse, including that involving battered husbands.
My post was not intended to provide a soapbox for you, Scylla, but to highlight the overt sexism demonstrated by this initiative.

From: Scylla Rhiadra
The anniversary of the Montreal Massacre (December 6) is actually an "officially" recognized day of commemoration in Canada; it is marked by vigils, workshops, and other events across the country. This year, it is also part of a larger international commemoration, called "16 Days of Activism Against Gender Violence." This event begins on November 25 (International Day Against Violence Against Women) and December 10 (International Human Rights Day);
So when is the International Day Against Violence Against Men, then?

From: Scylla Rhiadra
the significance of the latter date is precisely that it identifies gender violence as a human rights issue, and not "merely" as a feminist one.

A number of activists groups in SL are working together to create a programme of workshops, seminars, exhibits, and entertainment events
Entertainment? Games of "Whack-a-Mole" perhaps?

From: Scylla Rhiadra
as part of the observation of the 16 Days; the theme in-world is "Take Back the Tech." Anyone who is interested in getting involved is more than welcome to contact me. (And yes, that includes you, Pep.)
It seems like a jolly for geek feminist activists to me . . .

Pep ( . . . so I'll pass, thank you, and focus on the campaigns of Fathers 4 Justice, which attempts to rectify the trend towards feminist over-reactionary political correctness; watch out for masked superheroes crashing your 16 days of parties.)
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11-03-2009 08:19
From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
And with those words, you're probably garnering more support for this "unfair" cause than if you had said nothing. :)
I doubt it.

Pep (The activist "females" will support it as they would have anyway; the real men will now think twice.)
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11-03-2009 08:22
From: Scylla Rhiadra
2) the physical damage inflicted on women by men is SIGNIFICANTLY more severe, on average, than that inflicted by women on men. Part of the way in which this stat is compiled involves an examination of "objective" data, including record of mortality and hospitalization caused by abuse
I don't want to get into a Lizard-like argument about proof which you can not provide . . .

Pep ( . . . but I will note that the minimal research I have done indicates that a female partner is three times more likely to kill her male partner in the USA than the other way around.)
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Rhonda Huntress
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11-03-2009 08:22
Oh boy, another argument to push the post count higher. We have been in the 93,000's for to long




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Scylla Rhiadra
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11-03-2009 08:23
From: Pserendipity Daniels
I shan't.

Pep (and I would encourage others not to do so; I would also suggest that charitable promotions for unfair causes - as you seem to have agreed that this is an example of - should not be promoted in these forums.)

Wonderful response, Pep. Yes, let's sit idly by while literally millions of women and men are yearly abused, hospitalized, or killed because you think that the way we express this is "unfair."

While we're at it, let's all stop contributing to research for breast cancer, because the money isn't being shared equally with those researching prostate cancer. Much, much better to deny the funding to breast cancer research than to actively work to increase funding for other forms, no?

How much more satisfying to know that we've made a principled stand for "fairness" while we watch another shelter for abused women having to turn away victims for a want of funding.
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11-03-2009 08:23
From: Pserendipity Daniels

Pep ( . . . but I will note that the minimal research I have done indicates that a female partner is three times more likely to kill her male partner in the USA than the other way around.)


Yes, but you consider the general state of marriage to be a slow murder. :D
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11-03-2009 08:26
From: Scylla Rhiadra
While we're at it, let's all stop contributing to research for breast cancer, because the money isn't being shared equally with those researching prostrate (***SIC***) cancer.
Is that the type of cancer you think men get while we are lying around on the sofa with beer and remote in hand?

Pep (Like Rhonda, you really shouldn't post when you get over-emotional; you make bigger fools of yourselves than anything I might do.)

PS Do you know of ANY (underfunded or otherwise) places of protection for battered men?
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Scylla Rhiadra
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11-03-2009 08:27
From: Pserendipity Daniels
watch out for masked superheroes crashing your 16 days of parties.)

Yes, griefing, the virtual equivalent of physical violence, seems like exactly the kind of response I'd expect.

Why not show up and PARTICIPATE? These are open to anyone: they are ABOUT discussion.

But, gosh, it is more fun to "crash" a seminar and effectively silence the voices there.
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11-03-2009 08:28
From: Pserendipity Daniels
If so, that is unfair, and I don't think it is worthy of support.)
Two people are standing on a streetcorner in December. A guy in a Santa Claus suit pulls his car up to the curb, gets out and hands one of them $1,000. The other guy feels slighted, but really, he's no worse off than before the car pulled up.

Volunteer work of all kinds is freely donated, people work on whatever moves them. Ergo, activism is intrinsically unfair; it is heavily weighted toward whatever causes become popular. It's human nature, it's not a *bad* thing. Any good that volunteers accomplish is gravy - I think the world should count itself lucky if they don't actually do harm.

As for fair? http://www.lyricsdepot.com/randy-newman/the-world-isnt-fair.html