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Desmond Shang

Guvnah of Caledon

Join date: 14 Mar 2005

Posts: 5,250

11-14-2007 09:09

I know this may be kind of 'backward' to put an answer without a question, but maybe this will help someone out there.

I'd spent weeks having horrible problems, and have been on the phone a long time with Company tech staff - and after fighting it about maybe 10 - 12 hours I've finally got my avatar fully working again.

IF:

- you are ruthed or avatar-less on login for 10-15 minutes,

- everything takes 15 minutes to load even though there is little around you

- you seem to be stuck underwater or underground in a sim corner

- or you never fully load yourself and the world around you at all

AND

- you have a friendlist on the order of 1000 people,

... the solution is to drastically cut back your friendlist.

No two ways about it.

This seems new with the last release. I'd tried simply deleting the cards: no go. Shutting off online visibility and mapping *seemed* to have helped a little, but not a lot.

Yes it was incredibly painful to delete more than 9 out of 10 people I know - and I *do* know them - I'm online a lot. I'm down to my estate managers and some critical business contacts right now - and a few people I've known since long before SL that I can count on one hand.

If there's any silver lining to this, it seems that deleting someone you haven't seen in ages is roughly about as useful as deleting someone that is around and presently online, best I can tell.

So for all you landbarons and content-creator barons out there: if you are lagging bad on login for the past few weeks or simply can't get in, that's what's going on.

And a big thank you to Spike and Leo Linden for helping me save my avatar and helping determine the cause, even though I wish there was another way we could have solved it.

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Sue Saintlouis

Registered User

Join date: 8 Dec 2006

Posts: 420

11-14-2007 09:19

What version of SL are you running? I wonder if this applies to the newer ones only... which have given me a lot of troubles.

Nina Stepford

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Join date: 26 Mar 2007

Posts: 3,373

11-14-2007 09:20

weeee! an excuse to empty my friends list!

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Marianne McCann

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Join date: 23 Feb 2006

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11-14-2007 09:25

From: Desmond Shang

... the solution is to drastically cut back your friendlist

I've noticed this problem as well. Not as severe (about a 30 second to a minute lag time), but with a friend's list of 200+, it stands to reason it would not be as bad as yours.

Mari

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Meade Paravane

Hedgehog

Join date: 21 Nov 2006

Posts: 4,845

11-14-2007 09:40

I've got about 150 and don't really notice much difference between startup and 'been in for an hour'.

I wonder why this has such a big impact on load time. I would rather load quickly and have my friends list take some extra time than have the friends list delay things...

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Desmond Shang

Guvnah of Caledon

Join date: 14 Mar 2005

Posts: 5,250

11-14-2007 09:48

From: Sue Saintlouis

What version of SL are you running? I wonder if this applies to the newer ones only... which have given me a lot of troubles.

Both the current release and the release candidate do this - I'm on Win XP and Vista across 3 different machines, all do the same.

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Cherry Czervik

Came To Her Senses

Join date: 18 Feb 2006

Posts: 3,680

11-14-2007 09:52

Over 1000? WHOA ... mine is tiny, well pruned and only has people I want on it.

A bit like a bonzai - small, perfectly formed and hard to keep that size

(If I could only apply that to my inv)

Steve Mahfouz

Ecstasy Realty

Join date: 1 Oct 2005

Posts: 1,373

11-14-2007 09:53

Thanks for the tip, Desmond.

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Incanus Merlin

Not User Serviceable

Join date: 12 Apr 2007

Posts: 583

11-14-2007 09:59

/1 off topic
will Des be auctioning off places on his new friends list? LOL
/1 on topic
Inc

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Lovely Moisant

Registered User

Join date: 15 Mar 2007

Posts: 23

11-14-2007 10:15

Wow.... not good. But what *is* good for me is that I have the Nicholaz version ... and hopefully there'd be a better solution than that if those probs ever occur.

SuezanneC Baskerville

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Join date: 22 Dec 2003

Posts: 14,229

11-14-2007 10:17

I wonder if this might have something to do with the new search system.

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Gillian Waldman

Buttercup

Join date: 1 Oct 2006

Posts: 697

11-14-2007 10:20

I have this problem though my friends list is only about 120 or so. My avatar takes a while to load, surroundings won't load, I get "downloading clothing" every single time I log in etc.

The answer should NOT be to prune your friends list. Something has changed and LL should be able to figure it out and fix it. Has there been a JIRA submitted? If so, please link to it.

Thanks so much for the heads-up that this is perhaps related.

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Deira Llanfair

Deira to rhyme with Myra

Join date: 16 Oct 2006

Posts: 2,315

11-14-2007 13:44

From: Cherry Czervik

Over 1000? WHOA ... mine is tiny, well pruned and only has people I want on it.

A bit like a bonzai - small, perfectly formed and hard to keep that size

(If I could only apply that to my inv)

LOL - I'm with you Cherry!

@Suzanne - I wonder whether you may be spot on there!

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Sue Saintlouis

Registered User

Join date: 8 Dec 2006

Posts: 420

11-14-2007 16:47

Thank you Des! And your reward for posting this tip is...

...wanna be my friend

? LOL

Qie Niangao

Coin-operated

Join date: 24 May 2006

Posts: 7,138

11-14-2007 17:40

Thanks Des; very helpful. I always suspected my anti-social tendencies would pay off.

Probably related: I've been seeing transient "

hippos)" and "

waiting)" in my Friends list for the past week or two, when it had been gone for a long time. Somehow I just never thought to report it as a problem--I guess just because it seems like "just one of those things." At this point, I get a little thrill every time something successfully rezzes from Inventory, so I'm pretty easily satisfied. I wonder how many other potentially serious problems go unreported now just because the "noise level" of whacky behavior has gotten so high.

Raymond Figtree

Gone, avi, gone

Join date: 17 May 2006

Posts: 6,256

11-14-2007 17:45

Does this affect my myspace friends as well?

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Xplorer Cannoli

Cache Cleaner

Join date: 18 Sep 2005

Posts: 1,131

11-14-2007 18:24

One thing I have found by having the large friend list is when you hop online, not only do you get the day to day usual tasks, but then you get bombarded with people saying HI and trying to catch you online.

This is a great reason for me to slim that list down. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Its golden info!

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Raymond Figtree

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11-14-2007 18:42

From: Xplorer Cannoli

One thing I have found by having the large friend list is when you hop online, not only do you get the day to day usual tasks, but then you get bombarded with people saying HI and trying to catch you online.

This is a great reason for me to slim that list down. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Its golden info!

I get that with my list of 20 friends. Can't imagine 1000. Busy mode must be Desmond's true best friend.

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Desmond Shang

Guvnah of Caledon

Join date: 14 Mar 2005

Posts: 5,250

11-14-2007 19:02

From: Raymond Figtree

I get that with my list of 20 friends. Can't imagine 1000. Busy mode must be Desmond's true best friend.

...and I can't use it! Busy mode refuses inventory last I checked, i.e. the notecards that allow me to get detailed requests and process them in an orderly fashion.

Heh, kinda silly to 'be on my friendlist' anyway. I know who my friends are without no stinkin' friendlists. I answer every note or IM I get from anybody, if I see it.

Because nothing says 'loser' more than a too-important guy on the internet...

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Giuli Reino

Registered User

Join date: 23 Oct 2006

Posts: 17

Large Frindls List

11-15-2007 20:09

wow.. at this point I am willing to try anything.. I am running out of lemons here to make lemonade ..

( see my post dated 11/14/07..>>>>

/327/fb/223478/1.html

Thanks everyone. !

Resident Answer: Large friendlist is problematic upon login these days.
Desmond Shang Guvnah of Caledon Join date: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 5,250	11-14-2007 09:09 I know this may be kind of 'backward' to put an answer without a question, but maybe this will help someone out there. I'd spent weeks having horrible problems, and have been on the phone a long time with Company tech staff - and after fighting it about maybe 10 - 12 hours I've finally got my avatar fully working again. IF: - you are ruthed or avatar-less on login for 10-15 minutes, - everything takes 15 minutes to load even though there is little around you - you seem to be stuck underwater or underground in a sim corner - or you never fully load yourself and the world around you at all AND - you have a friendlist on the order of 1000 people, ... the solution is to drastically cut back your friendlist. No two ways about it. This seems new with the last release. I'd tried simply deleting the cards: no go. Shutting off online visibility and mapping seemed to have helped a little, but not a lot. Yes it was incredibly painful to delete more than 9 out of 10 people I know - and I do know them - I'm online a lot. I'm down to my estate managers and some critical business contacts right now - and a few people I've known since long before SL that I can count on one hand. If there's any silver lining to this, it seems that deleting someone you haven't seen in ages is roughly about as useful as deleting someone that is around and presently online, best I can tell. So for all you landbarons and content-creator barons out there: if you are lagging bad on login for the past few weeks or simply can't get in, that's what's going on. And a big thank you to Spike and Leo Linden for helping me save my avatar and helping determine the cause, even though I wish there was another way we could have solved it. _____________________ Steampunk Victorian, Well-Mannered Caledon!
Sue Saintlouis Registered User Join date: 8 Dec 2006 Posts: 420	11-14-2007 09:19 What version of SL are you running? I wonder if this applies to the newer ones only... which have given me a lot of troubles.
Nina Stepford was lied to by LL Join date: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 3,373	11-14-2007 09:20 weeee! an excuse to empty my friends list! _____________________ SLU - ban em then bash em! ~~GREATEST HITS~~ pro-life? gtfo! slu- banning opposing opinions one at a time http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/zomgwtfbbqgtfololcats/15428-disingenuous.html learn to shut up and nod in agreement... or be banned! http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/off-topic/1239-americans-not-stupid.html
Marianne McCann Feted Inner Child Join date: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 7,145	11-14-2007 09:25 From: Desmond Shang ... the solution is to drastically cut back your friendlist I've noticed this problem as well. Not as severe (about a 30 second to a minute lag time), but with a friend's list of 200+, it stands to reason it would not be as bad as yours. Mari _____________________ "There's nothing objectionable nor illegal in having a child-like avatar in itself and we must assume innocence until proof of the contrary." - Lewis PR Linden "If you find children offensive, you're gonna have trouble in this world " - Prospero Linden
Meade Paravane Hedgehog Join date: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,845	11-14-2007 09:40 I've got about 150 and don't really notice much difference between startup and 'been in for an hour'. I wonder why this has such a big impact on load time. I would rather load quickly and have my friends list take some extra time than have the friends list delay things... _____________________ Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!! - Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224 - If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in - Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Desmond Shang Guvnah of Caledon Join date: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 5,250	11-14-2007 09:48 From: Sue Saintlouis What version of SL are you running? I wonder if this applies to the newer ones only... which have given me a lot of troubles. Both the current release and the release candidate do this - I'm on Win XP and Vista across 3 different machines, all do the same. _____________________ Steampunk Victorian, Well-Mannered Caledon!
Cherry Czervik Came To Her Senses Join date: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 3,680	11-14-2007 09:52 Over 1000? WHOA ... mine is tiny, well pruned and only has people I want on it. A bit like a bonzai - small, perfectly formed and hard to keep that size (If I could only apply that to my inv)
Steve Mahfouz Ecstasy Realty Join date: 1 Oct 2005 Posts: 1,373	11-14-2007 09:53 Thanks for the tip, Desmond. _____________________ http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ecstasy/128/129/31 Ecstasy: high quality residential living
Incanus Merlin Not User Serviceable Join date: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 583	11-14-2007 09:59 /1 off topic will Des be auctioning off places on his new friends list? LOL /1 on topic Inc _____________________ "The wide world is all about you; you can fence yourself in, but you cannot for ever fence it out" - Gildor Inglorion, LOTR
Lovely Moisant Registered User Join date: 15 Mar 2007 Posts: 23	11-14-2007 10:15 Wow.... not good. But what is good for me is that I have the Nicholaz version ... and hopefully there'd be a better solution than that if those probs ever occur.
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	11-14-2007 10:17 I wonder if this might have something to do with the new search system. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Gillian Waldman Buttercup Join date: 1 Oct 2006 Posts: 697	11-14-2007 10:20 I have this problem though my friends list is only about 120 or so. My avatar takes a while to load, surroundings won't load, I get "downloading clothing" every single time I log in etc. The answer should NOT be to prune your friends list. Something has changed and LL should be able to figure it out and fix it. Has there been a JIRA submitted? If so, please link to it. Thanks so much for the heads-up that this is perhaps related. _____________________ http://www.deuxlooks.com/
Deira Llanfair Deira to rhyme with Myra Join date: 16 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,315	11-14-2007 13:44 From: Cherry Czervik Over 1000? WHOA ... mine is tiny, well pruned and only has people I want on it. A bit like a bonzai - small, perfectly formed and hard to keep that size (If I could only apply that to my inv) LOL - I'm with you Cherry! @Suzanne - I wonder whether you may be spot on there! _____________________ Deira Must create animations for head-desk and palm-face!.
Sue Saintlouis Registered User Join date: 8 Dec 2006 Posts: 420	11-14-2007 16:47 Thank you Des! And your reward for posting this tip is... ...wanna be my friend ? LOL
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	11-14-2007 17:40 Thanks Des; very helpful. I always suspected my anti-social tendencies would pay off. Probably related: I've been seeing transient "hippos)" and "waiting)" in my Friends list for the past week or two, when it had been gone for a long time. Somehow I just never thought to report it as a problem--I guess just because it seems like "just one of those things." At this point, I get a little thrill every time something successfully rezzes from Inventory, so I'm pretty easily satisfied. I wonder how many other potentially serious problems go unreported now just because the "noise level" of whacky behavior has gotten so high.
Raymond Figtree Gone, avi, gone Join date: 17 May 2006 Posts: 6,256	11-14-2007 17:45 Does this affect my myspace friends as well? _____________________ Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
Xplorer Cannoli Cache Cleaner Join date: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 1,131	11-14-2007 18:24 One thing I have found by having the large friend list is when you hop online, not only do you get the day to day usual tasks, but then you get bombarded with people saying HI and trying to catch you online. This is a great reason for me to slim that list down. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Its golden info! _____________________ Region Names for a Themed Shopping Experience: New Region: Gifts Accessories, Art, Avatars, Cars, Clothes, Clothing, Fashion, Fashions, Furnishings, Furniture, Gadgets, Games, Gifts, Hair, Jewellery, Jewelry, Mall, Men, Money, Music, Pets, Shoes, Shopping, Skin, Skins, Something, Women, X Attractions: Explore our new park at HOME New Racetrack at CAR WEAPONS Region Now Open!
Raymond Figtree Gone, avi, gone Join date: 17 May 2006 Posts: 6,256	11-14-2007 18:42 From: Xplorer Cannoli One thing I have found by having the large friend list is when you hop online, not only do you get the day to day usual tasks, but then you get bombarded with people saying HI and trying to catch you online. This is a great reason for me to slim that list down. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Its golden info! I get that with my list of 20 friends. Can't imagine 1000. Busy mode must be Desmond's true best friend. _____________________ Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
Desmond Shang Guvnah of Caledon Join date: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 5,250	11-14-2007 19:02 From: Raymond Figtree I get that with my list of 20 friends. Can't imagine 1000. Busy mode must be Desmond's true best friend. ...and I can't use it! Busy mode refuses inventory last I checked, i.e. the notecards that allow me to get detailed requests and process them in an orderly fashion. Heh, kinda silly to 'be on my friendlist' anyway. I know who my friends are without no stinkin' friendlists. I answer every note or IM I get from anybody, if I see it. Because nothing says 'loser' more than a too-important guy on the internet... _____________________ Steampunk Victorian, Well-Mannered Caledon!
Giuli Reino Registered User Join date: 23 Oct 2006 Posts: 17	Large Frindls List 11-15-2007 20:09 wow.. at this point I am willing to try anything.. I am running out of lemons here to make lemonade .. ( see my post dated 11/14/07..>>>> /327/fb/223478/1.html Thanks everyone. !

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