RL Viewer 1.04.1

Hello

I'm wondering if anyone has any knowledge about a viewer that seems to be catching on within lets us say the "adult" RP crowd. Its called the "Restrained Life viewer" and in the install file it states "Version 1.04.1, based on SL 1.18.5.3 (not compatible with 1.18.4.* and lower)". Quite a few people I know in world use it so I DL'ed it. From what I've see (I have a pretty limited knowledge about computers/programing) its exaclty the same as the standard SL viewer Ver. 1.18.5.3 except this viewer, when used in conjunction with special scripts, allows certain situations to exist which the standard viewer doesn't support.

My questions about it are: 1) Is this just a slightly modified (via the new Open Source thing) standard viewer. 2) In the opinion of the technically savay fourmies is it as save to use as the standard viewer, from the stand point of computer security. 3) How many other readers/posters/etc of the fourms use it or have heard of it (just curious as to its possible popularity; ie. Gor/bdsm/Forced RP'ers/etc.).

Thank you one and all for any input you man be so kind as to offer in advance...

hehe

fun-ny

you got to see this
http://www.erestraint.com/realrestraint/


yep - its a viewer where the controls for removing said restraints are disabled.



pass the biscuits please

um, warning would be nice lol. Glad my work doesn't obsessively check which sites i visit lol.

umm, Claire? If you'd read the OP it should have been pretty clear that was going to be a link to a 'mature' site

I'd think that any 3rd party viewer has potential to be abused by the author to harvest passwords. A lot of us (me included) trust the Nicholaz viewer isn't doing anything like this, but I'd guess that a large user-base of coders has been over the source and something like this would have been spotted.

Something like the RR viewer... harder to be sure. The author gives this tongue-in-cheek disclaimer:

"Also, I guarantee this viewer is not going to automatically steal your password, your money, your personal data or eat your babies. There are ways to check this even so don't worry. But of course it's a matter of trust in the first place. A lot of people trust me for what I sell already, but if you have the slightest doubt don't use that viewer."

Yay for "special situations"

it is a modified open source client, I've no clue how safe or reliable it is, or if the makers are legit, although if you can read code you could d/l and compile the source after reading it yourself

neck cuffs.... really...hmmm

Here's a link that explains what this thing is. No dodgy pics but this is an article about bdsm for those reading at work;

http://realrestraint.blogspot.com/2007/11/so-what-is-that-restrainedlife-thing.html

Q Is this just a slightly modified (via the new Open Source thing) standard viewer.
A Yes

Q In the opinion of the technically savay fourmies is it as safe to use as the standard viewer, from the stand point of computer security.
A I'm afraid I have no clue how robust it is.

Q How many other readers/posters/etc of the fourms use it or have heard of it (just curious as to its possible popularity; ie. Gor/bdsm/Forced RP'ers/etc.).
A Vague rumours in-world. Just googled it to get the above info. Don't know anyone who's tried it.

I've used it, had some bugs with stuff refusing to attach.. but I think it was unrelated to this, ... it was also on one of the REALLY bad SL days this last week, so I went back to Nicholaz at that time to wait til SL was more stable. Haven't gotten around to testing it out since.

Seems to be a quality product, and the people behind it seem genuine.

Thanks Min it's nice to connect names with residents

I know two friends who have used it. One is a pretty obsessive coder, and he feels comfortable with the changes. I'd be very surprized if he hasn't read virtually all the changes to the source code for it to check what the changes do.

Not a client I want to use, myself. But for someone who is submissive? Well, they seem to like it.

Here's what I know so far about it, from talking with my two friends that have used it.:

It's a client for people who like being tied up or otherwise restrained, and not being able to get free without help. (BDSM Submissives, primarily).

The submissive (the person to be restrained) is the one who runs the RL client. Others interacting with them don't need to.

The person using the RL client adds a script to their cuffs, collars and other restraining devices (which of course must be modifyable, but most are).

Anyone available activates one of the submissive's restraining devices. For example, orders their cuff set to hog-tie the sub.

The sub can not issue the normal commands to release themselves. (Even if they are a secondary owner on their own restraints? Not sure there.) The client won't pass the command to restraints that have the additional script, and which are attached to the person giving the comand. The client won't detach a restraint that has been locked by someone other than the person it is attached to. (Normally they could always detach the restraint to get free.)

Not sure what logging out does, but I suspect if they log out of RL Client and log back in with the normal client, they could release themselves. Handy if the person who restrained you crashes and can't get back into SL to free the sub.

From what I've heard, it just activates certain limitations in response to llOwnerSay.

It apparently comes with its source code, so someone can simply check that. (I say "apparantly" because I haven't downloaded it myself and the SL source code I know is rather large, so just bundling it with a download of the EXE would make it substantially bigger. I suspect it actually comes with source differences)

The only thing I find a bit concerning is that a) it can stop someone receiving IMs (which breaks the principle of not roping strangers into your role-play), and b) the instructions for it on Marine's site encourage you to replace your SecondLife.exe file entirely with it.

Danger, Will Robinson.

This guy may be quite alright with his modded viewer - most of these things seem to be common-enough online intimacy and trust games, and (typically) are pretty harmless.

But you are trusting a LOT when you allow someone else's code on your drive.

Not just your ability to function in SL, your passwords, or your $L balance.

How about your credit card, your online banking info, or god knows what else that might be used to harm you.

Hey, it's your life, you can trust who you want - and I am *well* aware that people invest a LOT of trust in me as a land baron. But the most you can lose to me is some SL land or $L.

Modded clients are different. In this case you could give up your address, identifying pictures of your children, and leave their school system a no-brainer to figure out. And not even realise it until it was too late.

My guess is that this viewer mod is pretty tame. But you are playing the *ultimate* trust game... and possibly, playing it not with your life, but someone else's.

I've never once heard of a BDSM or Gor case that actually harmed anyone, RL.

But that said, people involved are likely to be similar to any other random person you might meet. Which is risky enough.

If you doubt this, consider the fact that most of us expect a degree of anonymity while here for basic protection, and the world is just brimming with people who *do* have very real, very dangerous issues.

Proof: http://www.nsopr.gov/

I get 42 hits just in my small zip code area alone, and those are just the ones that have been *caught*.


Trust is cheap, online. Just ask anyone still holding Ginko (WTF) bonds.

You are quite right, Desmond. And I am not particularly endorsing this altered client myself. Just passing on what little I know of it. Personally, I would rather not use a third-party client, even if it is from a large group, like the OnRez client.

The RestrainedLife client includes diffs, so you can see the changes and apply the patches yourself to the official sources, in the same way that wary users deal with the Nicholaz patches.

I get my fill of restraint from lag.

I for one find it overkill, half the fun of RP in the bdsm realm is the willingness of the participants, knowing at any time they could at any time choose not to play along, but keep going along with it anyways....

that said, I know some look for more, RL trust, and RL life restricitveness, whatever makes you happy, I say

I don't know the creator, but I do know OF them, and I seriously doubt they'd risk either their reputation, or any kind of legal action against them, for something that is a serious hobby for them (no diminuation intended)

my suggestion (assuming you're interested in it) would be to talk to people on both ends of it's use, and see what they think of it, see where it may have holes, or security issues you can't deal with.... pretty much what you'd do with any third party client (like the nicholaz viewr, which I'll swear by, having been abble to stay online 48hrs + with)

check the creator out, find out what features it has, and what limitations... that's it

Not a guy, Marine is a she. She's a very good friend of mine and if I would trust ANYONE with a modded viewer, I would trust her. In fact I tried to prompt her to write exactly this early last year when Open Source was first announced, because I knew that she would be the ideal person to create such a thing.

Of course, you may not want to take my word for it. That's up to you. Most of my friends use Marine's viewer the whole time.

Yes, you can still get out of restraints in an emergency by logging off, logging on with the standard client, and detaching them. Well, there has to be some let-out.

I have created a small attachment that exploits the viewer, which is useful for non-bdsm people as well. It's a simple IM blocker. When activated, it stops you receiving IMs, but you can still hear chat. It's rather useful if you want a quiet intimate conversation with someone and don't want to be bombarded with IMs. You can pick it up from my shop (Evil Kitten) in Hyades if you're interested!

The source diffs are available and quite short, so I'm sure someone could probably browse them. Of course if you want to be really, really paranoid you'd have to compile it from scratch as well, which would be more work.

And I should mention that - as with most third-party clients with add-ons, it technically breaks the TOS(!). That's more a fault with the TOS though - because there's a horribly restrictive clause covering these.

Lol.. This is a hoot. Give people the source and "anything' can happen. Over time there maybe many different clients doing innumerable different things differently.

The what-if? crowd has just showed just a simple change in the viewer can suit a particular section of community. I just wonder what will be dreamed up in the future.

OFF TOPIC: I came to this thread thinking RL Viewer 1.04.1 meant "Real Life Viewer" 1.04.1. Silly me. My answer to my own thinking is that the Real Life Viewer program is now at Version 0.9 and going backwards.

I admit I thought the same, and expected this to be a post from Second Generation. Ianthe, where are you when we need you?
On a semi-serious note, I notice there are other 3rd party clients offering similar functionality. This could be a BDSM version of Beta vs VHS, the most popular and reliable client getting all the business.

Different people are looking for different things in SL. i have used RR viewer for the past few weeks and it has enhanced my SL experience dramatically. i do a bit of coding for other interests and after looking through the viewer its well written - i have no problems using it.

What does it do? If a user has the RR viewer installed and also chooses to fit realrestraints to their avatar they cant release them. This is the same with other RR compatible products.

The "Owner" can remove the right to TP, IM (with anyone other than the Owner), release equipment, and other features. It does exactly what it says and restrains the life of the user. Whoever holds the keys has a lot of control that cant be over-ridden.

if your looking for a very real BDsM experience this is it......if your not then just accept it for what it is and move on (like many things in life).

This isn't the answer for everyone but for a small minority it's heaven ....personally i give kudo's to Miss Marine for Her work (and am a little jealous i didn't think of it first * grins*)


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a Restrained Life.

The only thing I have to add is to note that Marine Kelley has sold some of the more aggressive scripted D/S products, as well as clothing etc., inworld for quite some time. She is well known as an honest merchant who stands by her products and replaces lost inventory etc., and thus does have an inworld reputation that she would endanger if this client were some sort of scam.

Personally, if I were to use this client, I would be very sure to get it off of its main hosted site, directly linked from Marine's blog, not from some other mirror. To be honest, the first time I used it I would go over the patches and compile it myself. Because scripting is one thing, coding is another.

I don't do this with the Nicholaz client. But Nicholaz is an extremely active coder within the open source community, and I primarily know of Marine as a scripter of very specialized items. Her blog seems to imply that the Restrained Life client has been her first venture into LL's codebase. Do others here know better about the breadth of her experience with LL's open source?

The client doesnt strip you of the ability to stop at any time, you'd need a trojan for that... infact thats the whole point. The submissive willingly downloads the client and lets someone controll him\her.

::eyeroll:: I just love selective quoting/understanding

obviously it doesn't stop you from using it, nor does it mean that there aren't people that would enjoy it (as I pointed out above)