The new All search in NOT broken
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Snowman Jiminy
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01-06-2008 14:43
From: Bradley Bracken This is precisely why I got my landlord to separate the land into separate parcels and name my parcel for my store. This could mean a major change in the real estate market. Those that are capable and/or willing to do this may see themselves much more successful then those that don't.
Those that don't or can't, such as malls, may pass on or offer rock bottom rates. Again, one of those things that happen when change occurs. Yes - and it will kill all rented commercial land on the mainland. |
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Isablan Neva
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01-06-2008 14:46
From: Bradley Bracken I see a big win win with this idea. A big win with the smaller start up businesses who can't afford much land to compete with the big guys out there. Also a big win for the consumer who will have more options in one place then one big sim with items all by one maker.
The other big win is you'll have different creators competing against each other all under one roof which I would presume would improve quality for everyone.
I'm sold back on malls again...in this manner. Sounds like a great idea to me and one that can definitely take advantage of the new search. Exactly. A smart person looking for a business opportunity would purchase a couple of sims and make one sim nothing but skins on one half, hair on the other half. Rent spaces for all those new designers who aren't ready to open their own boutique and they take advantage of each other's cross traffic. So, a new resident who doesn't know where to go can view skins from 25 different creators in one mall. As a given creator gets a name and builds up a following they move out into their own store elsewhere and somebody new has a chance to grab a slot. Do the same thing with a sim that is one half clothes and one half shoes.
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01-06-2008 14:47
From: Snowman Jiminy Yes - and it will kill all rented commercial land on the mainland. No, not if you are creative.
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Bradley Bracken
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01-06-2008 14:49
From: Snowman Jiminy Yes - and it will kill all rented commercial land on the mainland. Didn't kill it for my landlord. Just meant he had to change the way he did business.
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01-06-2008 14:51
From: Isablan Neva I agree with Phil, you need to break those stores out onto their own individual parcels, otherwise they will never be found. Rentals should also have individual parcels, that way you can control music streams individually. It's a good idea in principle, Isablan. But it doesn't always work in practice. For example, what about the parcel owner who has a multistory mall? Or stacked skyboxes? I have two basement apartments, and one lower floor shop on my own build...they CAN'T have their own parcel.
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Isablan Neva
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01-06-2008 14:53
From: Snowman Jiminy Yes - and it will kill all rented commercial land on the mainland. Not at all. It just means that landlords have to do some reconfiguration of their business model and work a little harder to make things good for their renters. Where there is chaos, there is opportunity.
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Snowman Jiminy
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01-06-2008 14:53
From: Cristalle Karami No, not if you are creative. Just read the other posts - some cool ideas on malls - takes collaborative effort, which is always cool, if it works. |
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Phil Deakins
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01-06-2008 15:01
From: Lindal Kidd It's a good idea in principle, Isablan. But it doesn't always work in practice.
For example, what about the parcel owner who has a multistory mall? Or stacked skyboxes? I have two basement apartments, and one lower floor shop on my own build...they CAN'T have their own parcel. Stacked SkyBoxes are homes, and don't need to be found in search, but if there's a showbox there as well, that's the thing that can be targeted - the rentals. Malls currently operate so that the land owner changes nothing about the land, and the tenants promote themselves. After all, if they want to succeed, they ought to promote themselves. They can do it by advertising, by getting LMs and Picks to people (if there isn't a fixed landing point) and having them change the text, and by naming their goods effectively - objects are included in the land's HTML page and count for rankings. |
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01-06-2008 18:15
From: Cocoanut Koala The new search is broken if only for the fact that it returns ONLY FIVE PAGES FOR ANY GIVEN SEARCH.
This is like having a yellow pages that cuts off arbitrarily after the B's.
The Lindens said they would fix this in a few months maybe.
If anyone has heard anything about this beyond what I've reported here, let me know, cause I haven't tested it lately.
coco Yes that!! It's still broken and only 5 pages of results is a serious problem for businesses that hit page 6. |
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Johan Durant
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01-06-2008 18:18
From: Phil Deakins
What you described earlier about getting alts and changing the Names in their Picks is the same as Googlebombing and, like the Web Google, there's nothing to be gained by it other than getting people and places ranked highly for silly searchterms. None of it affects any other rankings. It's not detrimental to them.
In case you haven't noticed, people routinely go out of their way to rank highly on unrelated keywords. Just look at the Classified or Places tabs. This is not a potential problem to be dismissed; it could significantly hurt the usefulness of the new search.
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Phil Deakins
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01-06-2008 18:45
From: Johan Durant In case you haven't noticed, people routinely go out of their way to rank highly on unrelated keywords. Just look at the Classified or Places tabs. This is not a potential problem to be dismissed; it could significantly hurt the usefulness of the new search. I know Johan. It's the same with Web search engines too, and it's a scurge. But that's not the point of this thread. It is to inform people that optimising their own pieces of land for the new All search is not only necessary for them, but also necessary to make the search produce better results for users. Without us doing our bit, the new search can't produce the results that it's capable of. To be honest, it's staggering that LL haven't asked us to do it. They've mentioned giving people time to optimise the names and descriptions, but I don't think they've flat out asked us to do it, or even suggested it. |
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Cocoanut Koala
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01-06-2008 19:00
From: Phil Deakins LANDMARKS! Those are also IBLs that I forgot about until Kitty mentioned them. And what is their text? That land name again. More power to the land's name.
Yes and that's a very reason to do it now, and get a head start.
Doing things to improve search engine rankings has been around since soon after the first search engines appeared. It will never go away, and it's something that has to be accepted as long as search engines direct people to things. Unfortunately, search engines will leave a lot to be desired for the forseeable future, and improving ranking is something that a person must do if it matters to him/her.
This particular search engine can be improved for its users if people with places use the land's name and description effectively. It is helping both the engine, the users, and the place. The engine needs it to improve its effectiveness, users need it to better able them to find what they are looking for, a place may or may not need it depending on the owner's desired. I would understand all of this a lot more if it weren't put in terms of "web pages" and "text." I need the "For Dummies" version of this thread. coco |
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Cocoanut Koala
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01-06-2008 19:04
P.S. I'm sorry, but we have now reached page 5 of this thread. No one posting after this page will be seen.
coco
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Johan Durant
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01-06-2008 19:11
From: Phil Deakins that's not the point of this thread. It is to inform people And a very good thread you have made for that purpose!
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Alesia Schumann
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01-06-2008 19:17
I maintain what I said here before: the new search has one big flaw and it is spamming it with objects. I have seen results where names and descriptions of objects were used to boost rankings. Imagine that every object you sell is filled with a bunch of keywords in the description.
Who knows? Perhaps the people who develop the new search will work on it.
Apart from that, yeah, having only 5 pages of results is a shame. Mostly because this new search is rather promising.
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