Edit: for clarification I'm asking who you personally think is who fares better as a group of people when all things are considered. Land prices, land availability, reputation, presentation, etc.
In response to Weedy's poll about landbots (see: /327/b8/173559/1.html) I decided to see who second life residents think is the bigger menace. Land barons or landbot owners.
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Marcus Khorana
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03-26-2007 06:57
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Zaphod Kotobide
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03-26-2007 07:05
The way I see it, the menace is neither the land bot nor the land baron/dealer/trader. The menace is the system which enables such easy gaming and price jacking.
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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03-26-2007 07:06
Don't hate the player, hate the game!
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Marcus Khorana
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03-26-2007 07:11
The way I see it, the menace is neither the land bot nor the land baron/dealer/trader. The menace is the system which enables such easy gaming and price jacking. True, but unfortunately creating a system that isn't easily exploited is extremely difficult. Blizard springs to mind as a case in point. marcus |
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Rockwell Ginsberg
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03-26-2007 07:12
Don't hate the player, hate the game! Fo' sho'. Holla! |
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Nicolas Biddle
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03-26-2007 07:16
You might clarify the wording of the post to say "worse" with respect to what, exactly. I interpreted it to mean "worse with respect to the ongoing experiences of the typical SL user," and, therefore, i selected "neither." Someone else might read the poll question differently.
Worse with respect to antogonism of the other side, and using dirty tricks to try to win arguments? land barons win. |
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Atashi Toshihiko
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03-26-2007 07:19
I think the poll question could have been better-phrased. What's worse, commuters or car-owners? People's actions and motivations are more important than their tools, in my humble opinion.
I don't like how 'landbots' do what they do but when I was on the mainland, as a casual 'consumer' of land I had no chance to beat out the 'barons' whether they used bots or not. So whether landbots are in use or not, was and is irrelevant to me. While I don't like landbots in particular, I have to concede that they aren't doing anything especially 'wrong' compared to 'land barons' in general - they just do it faster and more efficiently. With tier being what it is, the price of land can fluctuate by 50% and all it really means to land 'consumers' (who wish to hold and use the land, not flip it) is whether the purchase price becomes moot in around a few months or a few more months. It is all behind me now though - I moved to an island two weeks ago and have been intensely happy every since. No gaudy for-sale signs, no casinos and camp pads, no giant rotating pickle ads, and no concerns for barons or bots. Disclaimer - the island I moved to, is my island. I rent residential plots on it, it is clearly indicated as rent (no "buy in" etc) and I hope I'm doing a good job - I hit full occupancy in under two weeks. -Atashi _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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03-26-2007 07:22
does anyone else think Landbots should be forced to wear Borg Avatars?
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Stylee Streeter
I am not an adfarmer ok!!
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whats worse?
03-26-2007 07:24
people that moan about players or people who moan about the game.
if you dont like the rules dont play |
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Amity Slade
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03-26-2007 07:24
The way I see it, the menace is neither the land bot nor the land baron/dealer/trader. The menace is the system which enables such easy gaming and price jacking. It can't be stated more succintly. |
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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03-26-2007 07:26
It can't be stated more succintly. Well, actually I think I stated it more succinctly. |
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Meade Paravane
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03-26-2007 07:26
does anyone else think Landbots should be forced to wear Borg Avatars? Resistance is futile. You will be undersold. |
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Amity Slade
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03-26-2007 07:26
people that moan about players or people who moan about the game. if you dont like the rules dont play If the rules were more transparent, I would agree. But they are not. Linden Labs' poor documentation is scattered. There are resident-written articles, but they are scattered, and are inherently less trustworthy because they aren't official sources. But most players don't discover some rules until after the first time they lose a lot of money. That is the problem. |
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Amity Slade
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03-26-2007 07:27
Well, actually I think I stated it more succinctly. You did. I stand corrected. |
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Stylee Streeter
I am not an adfarmer ok!!
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03-26-2007 07:33
If the rules were more transparent, I would agree. But they are not. Linden Labs' poor documentation is scattered. There are resident-written articles, but they are scattered, and are inherently less trustworthy because they aren't official sources. But most players don't discover some rules until after the first time they lose a lot of money. That is the problem. well thats standard online gaming. welcome to the 'real world' (no pun intended) |
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April Firefly
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03-26-2007 07:36
I don't think that 's the problem. I agree with the other poster. This is the best system. If you don't like the game, find one that does it better? Worried about losing money, then read, read, read before you buy. Of course there's a learning curve, nothing in the world doesn't have one. Even if Linden Labs spent time organizing a perfect manual, someone would complain that the letters weren't big enough. Or why are they spending time on a manual that will change instead of fixing bugs. Gosh people, either enjoy the game or find another one.
If the rules were more transparent, I would agree. But they are not. Linden Labs' poor documentation is scattered. There are resident-written articles, but they are scattered, and are inherently less trustworthy because they aren't official sources. But most players don't discover some rules until after the first time they lose a lot of money. That is the problem. _____________________
the truth is overrated  The most successful software company in the world does a piss-poor job on all these points. Particularly the first three. Why do you expect Linden Labs to do any better?  |
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Marcus Khorana
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03-26-2007 07:39
Gosh people, either enjoy the game or find another one. I think for some, complaining is the game. marcus |
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Atashi Toshihiko
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03-26-2007 07:42
Resistance is futile. You will be undersold. Maybe it should read, 'Complaining is futile.' Although it can be an amusing passtime. And FWIW I know some Borg avatars, they might not appreciate the association with the landbots.  -Atashi _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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03-26-2007 07:45
Maybe it should read, 'Complaining is futile.' Although it can be an amusing passtime. And FWIW I know some Borg avatars, they might not appreciate the association with the landbots. -Atashi lol who cares what a landbot .. er Borg , "thinks" ? =pPpppPPP |
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Gaybot Foxley
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03-26-2007 07:48
does anyone else think Landbots should be forced to wear Borg Avatars?  We are the Land Bots. Your land will be assimilated. Your assets will be added to the collective land baron estate. Lower your shields and scripted devices. Resistance is futile.  |
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
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03-26-2007 09:15
So far, the bots have the most votes as to "worse", more than the sum of all other options.
Speaks volumes. *Feeds more rope to the bots* _____________________
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Desmond Shang
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03-26-2007 09:21
*holds fingers up to mouth pretending to have fangs*
*menaces* hee! *runs off* _____________________
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
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03-26-2007 09:51
Edit: for clarification I'm asking who you personally think is who fares better as a group of people when all things are considered. Land prices, land availability, reputation, presentation, etc. In response to Weedy's poll about landbots (see: /327/b8/173559/1.html) I decided to see who second life residents think is the bigger menace. Land barons or landbot owners. marcus Wow, talk about ninja edit. You are a liar. You asked who was worse and you were losing badly, now you convert your intentions into who fares better? You fool nobody. _____________________
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tristan Eliot
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03-26-2007 16:01
does anyone else think Landbots should be forced to wear Borg Avatars? Only if the barons are forced to wear devil avatars.  |
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Strife Onizuka
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03-26-2007 20:02
This forum isn't for general discussion; there are many Resident Sites where this discussion is appropriate — Resident Answers is for Resident-to-Resident help.
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