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Why would someone create/run a Landbot?

Weedy Herbst
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03-26-2007 02:19
In the interest of community involvement, please vote for why you think someone would create and use landbots in Second Life.

In the interest of fairness, I made six choices. Three representing each side of the coin.

You may vote for any or all choices.
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Daisy Rimbaud
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03-26-2007 03:04
Actually (6) is not a separate option, and goes hand-in-hand with (1) and/or (3). It's a condition, not a motivation.
Weedy Herbst
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03-26-2007 03:14
From: Daisy Rimbaud
Actually (6) is not a separate option, and goes hand-in-hand with (1) and/or (3). It's a condition, not a motivation.


Possibly, but some might argue they don't care about the money, but might care about residents and SL in general, or any combination thereof.

Which is why I left the option to vote for any or all options.

For example, a person who might not like bots in general, might still agree with embracing technology.
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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03-26-2007 03:21
Wait a minute! Weedy is against bots?!?! Why didn't someone tell me. If only there was some way I could have previously known her position on the matter. Like, some kind of earlier forum post or something.

Weedy, why don't you just tell us what you really think instead of all this subtle beating around the bush?! If there was some possible way you could get Reverend Herzog to chime in with his thoughts on the matter then that would be awesome (although unlikely I know, since he is usually so reserved and cautious about offering his opinion).
Weedy Herbst
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03-26-2007 03:27
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
Wait a minute! Weedy is against bots?!?! Why didn't someone tell me. If only there was some way I could have previously known her position on the matter. Like, some kind of earlier forum post or something.

Weedy, why don't you just tell us what you really think instead of all this subtle beating around the bush?! If there was some possible way you could get Reverend Herzog to chime in with his thoughts on the matter then that would be awesome (although unlikely I know, since he is usually so reserved and cautious about offering his opinion).


Smug, insulting and moronic were not options, but in retrospect, should have been. Suffice it to say you voted #1 & 6?
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tristan Eliot
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03-26-2007 03:55
You forgot the Pie option. :(

I couldn't decide if I wanted to vote for #1 or #4 since #1 is a consequence of #4.
Reverend Herzog
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03-26-2007 05:03
From: tristan Eliot
You forgot the Pie option. :(

I couldn't decide if I wanted to vote for #1 or #4 since #1 is a consequence of #4.


It's multi-optional rather than either/or. You can vote for both if you want.

Good poll, Weedy. I'm interested to see the results, although it's already easy to see the direction voting is headed.
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Marcus Khorana
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03-26-2007 07:02
Can bots vote? ;)

In response to your poll Weedy, I decided to see who second life residents think is the bigger menace. Land barons or landbot owners.

marcus
Atashi Toshihiko
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03-26-2007 07:39
Why would someone buy/use a calculator? Why would a business start using computers?

For a rainy Monday morning I feel like playing devil's advocate. On the one hand I don't really think anyone provides added value if all they do is buy land at L$X/m and mark it up to instantly resell it at L$X+/m. That's not adding anything but a profit margin, and that's why it's called flipping.

On the other hand... Second Life is a lot like real life in a lot of ways: None of us made the rules of either game, we're all just players. And we owe it to ourselves to learn the rules of both games as best we can. Then how we choose to play, is up to us and our consciences.

In RL I run a small business and I am a programmer. If I couldn't automate as many tasks as possible I'd have to hire on a bunch of staff, our rates would go up, and we'd either go out of business or our customers would have to raise their prices to pass on the increased costs. It's considered good practice in business to reduce costs/expenses and using automation and tools is a great way to achieve that.

As I have said in another one of these threads, I don't particularily like land bots. However, I will add, I also don't particularily like Monday mornings. The way the games work though, both of these things exist, so I believe there's not much point in expending a lot of energy worrying about either of them.

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Weedy Herbst
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03-26-2007 08:58
From: Marcus Khorana
Can bots vote? ;)

In response to your poll Weedy, I decided to see who second life residents think is the bigger menace. Land barons or landbot owners.

marcus


Nothing to do with land barons in this poll. I expect this kind of troll reply though from a bot, though. You played right into that hand.

It has everything to do about bots motivations, nothing more.

Seems the numbers show, bots are largely driven by greed and don't care about SL, it's residents and/or infrastructure.

Edit: BTW, Landbots are losing in that poll, badly.
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Reverend Herzog
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03-26-2007 09:11
Landbots will always lose in polls, Weedy. It has been clear ever since Proposal 2783 calling for the ban of landbots became the top voted proposal ever, while its alternative proposal calling for LL to allow landbots I believe only had 9 voters: the majority of residents don't want landbots. Now whether LL will ever get off their collective a**es and comply with the wishes of the majority of their residents or not is an entirely different issue.
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Weedy Herbst
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03-26-2007 12:15
From: Reverend Herzog
Landbots will always lose in polls, Weedy. It has been clear ever since Proposal 2783 calling for the ban of landbots became the top voted proposal ever, while its alternative proposal calling for LL to allow landbots I believe only had 9 voters: the majority of residents don't want landbots. Now whether LL will ever get off their collective a**es and comply with the wishes of the majority of their residents or not is an entirely different issue.


I agree.

I find it rather bewildering, that LL would let 3 people take the work away from 40 and admit to the parctice of botting as being unfair.

Then ignore proposals and the appeals for a position on the situation, other than to one individual by Private Message.

Then they add insult to injury, by feeding us to the dogs who took out work in the first place. I think it is reprehensible, to take the "unfair" stance and not do anything about it, with nary a blog comment or statement.

The bots, as they have shown here (in their own words) are smug, self-indulgant and arrogant, who wallow in greed and contempt for the entire community.

Oh well, If LL won't do anything, the residents will speak with their wallets and the shareholders will take the helm, eventually.
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Kyrah Abattoir
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03-26-2007 12:51
well in a way i believe bots are not bad, they handle the basic and thankless jobs, so we can focuse on more creative work. Land baronny is something that will probably go the way of the dodos anyway.

From: Weedy Herbst

The bots, as they have shown here (in their own words) are smug, self-indulgant and arrogant, who wallow in greed and contempt for the entire community.

So are land barons.

All i see is a fight between those that discovered the wheel and those that didn't and are whining how unfair it is to dare to use the wheel.
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Weedy Herbst
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03-26-2007 13:17
From: Kyrah Abattoir
well in a way i believe bots are not bad, they handle the basic and thankless jobs, so we can focuse on more creative work. Land baronny is something that will probably go the way of the dodos anyway.


So are land barons.

All i see is a fight between those that discovered the wheel and those that didn't and are whining how unfair it is to dare to use the wheel.


So?

Bot good, baron bad?

Mkay, whatever. You are entitled to your opinion.

Thanks for stipulating my point, which is the only support bots get are from other botwannbees and forum trolls.

Excellent.
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Itchy Gamba
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03-26-2007 15:13
I dont own any land and adn am not a land baron.

Any Land baron that uses a landbot is a self indulgent greedy a*** M**** F***.

Get off you backside and do some work, or heres an idea hire one of the many people in SL looking for a job to do it for you. Or let me gueess, you want to keep all the money your self and cash it all out without spending a single linden in SL.
Soen Eber
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03-26-2007 18:13
I'm no fan of landbots, but really, this poll is nothing but passive-aggressive issue angsting. We all know you hate them, we all know the Lindens don't pay attention to the forums, and its not like this is really a question or even useful information so I fully expect this thread to get locked eventually.

You've provided a useful service in many of your threads, but I think its time you took a deep breath and grabbed a cold one ... please?

Oh, and for the bot runners who might see this post and use it as justification to mouth off about the poll: well, I can't say here what I WANT to say about you because I don't want to be the kind of person that writes that kind of stuff.
tristan Eliot
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03-26-2007 18:27
Perhaps the moderator could close and sticky all the landbot threads to the top so everyone can easily read all the possible arguments for or against them. Is this horse dead yet?
Jopsy Pendragon
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03-26-2007 19:19
ANSWERS to a question may spark debate.. but the original post should at least abide by the spirit of the Resident Answers guidelines (in a non-trolling kind of way at least):

Resident Answers is a simple, friendly place to ask your fellow Residents of Second Life for help.

Which kind of rules out the "Hey, can you help me burn this witch at the stake?" kind of asking for help. No? ;)
Strife Onizuka
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03-26-2007 19:43
Is this horse dead yet? Yes, and cold.

Jopsy has named the reason for the lock.

*locks*
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