Getting fed up - any suggestions?

Broccoli, you and I are 100% in agreement on that. I don't, however, have a problem with people having those weapons to play their "dream" in SL...........just make it so their "dream" does not interfere with my "dream".


Now...............off to my first dream: The Daytona 500 is about to begin!!!!! Whoa whooooo!! Go Jr go....................

That's the simple thing that most of those who carry weapons in non-combat areas forget... you have the right to play your game that way - but please have a little respect for those who don't play that way by not involving us in the majority of SL that is not designated for combat.

It's like the bdsm'ers who drag their semi-naked slaves round on chains behind them in a regular mall, then go off on one because you don't address them as "master".

Broccoli

Very simple add a requirement that to use a weapon on a AV, the user must have the express consent of the target. That ends all the problems.

Is this not the same as having an "opt in" option? And, yeah, it would solve some of the problems............not all though. Nothing is that simple.

So, that's just the way it is, Roby? Spoken like a true arms dealer. Before someone else mentioned you had a business selling weapons, I'd already figured that was the case. From what you say, business must be booming (pun intended). Good for you.

See, the problem is... SL (meaning the management) offers all sorts of assurances that this is NOT a combat game. Yes, there are combat sims, and I'm happy to know they're there. Hell, one of these days, I might suddenly develop a fascination with big sharp pointy sticks and want to go somewhere where there's a community for people who like jabbing each other with them.

I could've sworn that the management was promoting the idea that they were encouraging community here. If they're getting 2000 or more abuse complaints daily, then someone's not watching the shop. After my first investigations upon arriving, I was sure that I was going to get myself a premium membership, buy some land, maybe get a few folks together around some kind of theme, maybe find something useful I could make and sell, and (hopefully) make enough dough on the deal that I could pay for the membership. I had no grandiose business ideas past that.

Those intentions are gone. No way - unless things change a lot - am I gonna cough up good money to try to build in a place where people do everything in their power to muck up the gears for "fun" and profit, trash up the pretty landscape, and the keepers of the asylum just sit back and let it happen. I'll stick to my free (though verified) membership and see what happens over the next year or so. I'll keep hoping that my worst predictions don't come true.

I'm from the disaster area formerly known as New Orleans, and we're currrently in the midst of our annual spasm of excess. Gotta tell you: I have no problem with people wandering the streets half dressed, wearing rubber and chains. They leave me be, and I do the same for them. To each his or her own. Community has a lot to do with supporting each others' rights to be outlandish. So, if someone here in SL gets off on dressing up as the cosmic warrior bunny from the planet Xsian and likes to stumble around bristling with armor and weaponry... more power to him.

What I want is the right to NOT do that, and to be allowed to enjoy myself and the company of my friends in peace. Warrior bunny and I start to have a problem when he (it?) decides that his mega-blaster gives him the right to use me or my car or my house for target practice. When he decides it's cute to leave these weird scripted "batman" boxes all over the landscape to create floating Mario Brothers traffic hazards, then I'm being impeded.

I know I don't have any actual "rights" here. I'm not dumb enough to assume that. But I do have the right to stick my cash back in my purse, and if it gets unpleasant enough, I have the right to stop bothering. From the conversations I've been having with people who've been here for two years or so, there's a lot of disappointment out there. If the Lindens are getting that many abuse complaints daily, then they might want to consider their own bottom line. Land prices are gonna plummet when enough people decide it's not worth the headaches to be here.

Maybe Roby's right, and it's just a jungle out there. Kill or be killed, blast back and consider that, and all of the griefing, just "all part of the game". I hope he's wrong.

And I'll stop there. It's very late, people are screaming on the street (I'm a couple of blocks from a major parade route), and I suppose the kids who are defecating in my front yard need to be gently told that it's NOT cool, even if it is Mardi Gras. Freedom and license are not the same thing.

If you guys think I'm a clueless jerk, feel free to call me that. I've gotta go find my shovel.

I assure you, they're not just sitting back and letting it happen!

Bear in mind that of that huge number of ARs, that does include duplicates (which there are usually a lot of, if a griefer attacks an area with lots of people) and ones that, after investigation, prove to be not appropriate, such as ARs for breaking deals between residents. The Lindens are just facing the same problem that real life police worldwide face: people have to be innocent until proven guilty, but that means that they get to commit 1 crime, and the innocent public has to suffer it. Of course in Second Life with alts this is exponentially worse.

If you own land, it's a lot easier to deal with griefers, as you can just ban them or shut off parcel features. It's sad people are being forced to go this way, as it's hurting some aspects of SL - at an party in SL I tried to use my magic wand to fire some Valentine's hearts around (which are totally harmless and disappear automatically after a while) and couldn't, because building and scripts were shut down on the parcel. So much for most social display gadgets. But don't let griefing put you off building if you want to.

To clear up the mess, or smack them upside head?

Broccoli

"I could've sworn that the management was promoting the idea that they were encouraging community here. If they're getting 2000 or more abuse complaints daily, then someone's not watching the shop. After my first investigations upon arriving, I was sure that I was going to get myself a premium membership, buy some land, maybe get a few folks together around some kind of theme, maybe find something useful I could make and sell, and (hopefully) make enough dough on the deal that I could pay for the membership. I had no grandiose business ideas past that. "


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Much of the money from what i heard from several Lindens when I first joined was coming from -Non Residents- . Hmmm... When they started letting anyone join in without age verification there was a BIG BOOM in the weapons market. I mean a MAJOR BOOM in Sales. I can only say from several of my friends in the same business- Weaponry/Gadgetry Sales went up about 300% which I bet anything the Lindens knew this would occur. I remember before they did Open Membership you would see no more than 6k of us online. Not for us Weapon shop owners- but an increase in underage kids wanting to shoot- have sex, etc in SL. This leads to buying Lindens like crazy along with increasing membership ..... Don't ask me how kids get their money but there are so many ways underage kids can pay with Paypal and Credit/Debit cards now. Once they opened it up it started going crazy on people who were *online*.

they will not kick out people. It would be more than you probably imagine. If they would kick out even 1000 residents/temps I'd be surprised. There are just so many people who file abuse reports..

Either way- Good Luck Original Poster.