confiscation or forced sale of SL land?

Theres the issue of Linden Labs feeling you are responsible - you are far more likely to get Banned than to get sued.

So this approach by LL is really disturbing.

Since every male has a penis that, unless he is visually impaired, he sees every day, is it not allowed to supply his unverified avatar with one?

I think the Moral majority is winning this one - and I am sad. I thought we were an experiment in living andlifestyles. Now rules are being applied. "Yes, you can express yourself so long as you don't do this or do this ..."
I am not naive and I dont think many of you are either. Even those of you who are smugly applauding this "Granny-State" action must realize that this is simply to encourage the bland/blank world of big business investment. Many corporations will now feel that they can advertise here with no fear of litigation. So before long we will see Soft Drinks Corporations, Fast Food Outlets and all the other things that so many of us despise. Also, "Mummys and Daddys" will be able to leave "Kiddies and Teenies" to play on SL world with no fear that they will see anything untoward.
This was meant to be a world of expression but now we will be living in a milk bottle myopic territory with no artistic excitement and no fenzied passion across the "airwaves"
I met one of these "bible belt" types the other month - he proclaimed I was a sinner for wearing a cat skin and wanted me to dress like a "decent" woman - for ****'s sake - I AM a CARTOON!!
Jeesh I am mad at this - the removal of a person's closely held secure information through the demand of a GAME(!) just to satisfy Big Brother is terrifying.

Are you talking about no-payment-on-file people? Since having a credit card doesn't seem enough to validate age any more, please explain how having them on the grid has anything at all to do with this.

Excellent Point Meade -

If those of us who already provided Age verification under the old system are no longer considered Age Verified -

Then were all Unverifed under the new system until we become verifed.

Having a credit card is not enough to strictly verify age, but neither is having the last 4 digits of someones social security number.

The data being used to verify age cannot be tied to the person submitting that data. Therefore, that data is unreliable.
Requesting photo IDs wont work, unless you are looking at the person presenting it. Even then, you have no guarantee that the person giving the ID is the same one using the account.
Official government IDs run into the same problem, you cannot tie the data to the person on the other side of the monitor.

So what use are credit cards as a verification?
Credit cards companies spend a lot of time and money on security. They have longer experience of preventing fraudulent use. People fraudulently using credit cards will come up against long established laws against such, those feeding false info to an AVS wont.
Credit cards have a higher chance of linking the account to a real person who can be legally held responsible for their own actions. If they agreed to the TOS, then they can't complain. If they stole someone elses credit card to access the game, they really wont want to complain seeing as the service would have been accessed illegally.
Someone breaking into a porn shop cannot sue the owner for having porn on display.

I was just asking why you were bringing no-payment-on-files into this.

I'm having a hard time following which side of this you're on.

Are you saying that an age verification scheme from a few years ago would have been more secure than one today?

So back to my original question...

I think I can foresee that:

a) alt-camming or barging into people's private houses and ARing any adult content inside to force the whole parcel to be upgraded to Adult;
and
b) dropping pornographic material on any parcel with no, or long, autoreturn and then ARing it;

will both become popular forms of griefing under the new rules.

Also, land barons will make profit from using their own age-verified accounts to buy land areas from non-age-verified residents who would otherwise have to choose between flagging the land as Adult and locking themselves out of it, or not doing so and violating the TOS.

Logically there should be no reason to require people to verify to access areas they own, even if they are flagged Adult. After all, they can hardly sue the landowner (it's, um, themselves), and any pornographic content they have on their parcel they either uploaded (LL have a record of this so can show it to escape any blame), or they bought from somewhere (in which case it's the store owner's fault, as they should not have been able to access the store)

What good would that do? The object owner is the one who would get in trouble..

edit: actually, this is a great idea for griefing. Hear that, griefers? You can get people in trouble by dropping mature things on PG land then ARing your objects. Try it today!

That is assuming that LL will do more than just look at the picture attached to the AR before taking action. They will have to physically visit the parcel and check the ownership of said item....are they going to go to that trouble?

They might. They also might just reject the AR because it's filed incorrectly - it should be against the object, not the parcel.

It wouldn't be against the object if the rule breaking is that there is adult content and the PARCEL isn't labeled correctly.

But if it's not the parcel owner who placed the content there, it should be.

Before long we are going to get down to the basic questions behind all this - what behaviours are acceptable to mainstream society, what is pornography and what is art. And ... "will you baby-sit my teenager while I piss off for an hour?"
Sl was - WAS - breaking ground with art by bringing it mainstream. WE have some great artists and I am fortunate enough to own some of their finest work in SL. But age verification is just the tip of the iceberg and pretty soon art will be edited for mass consumerism.
There was great oporutnities for relationships to develop. Unicorns .... yum!
It was obvious to most of us that Linden was going to introduce teens into SL. Let's be honest Philip Linden probably last visited SL at Christmas to shake a few hands. It is becoming apparent that he couldn't care less about that he has created; the almighty dollar and corporate consumerism is overtaking what was a brilliant idea. After all Linden Labs shuts down on the weekends proving it IS a business. And no new blogs are mentioning this crucial new move on SL part.
This is a game but I have made genuine friendships. I wil never meet you in the real world but I will never age verify - so sooner or later I will be forced out. And my art collection and my achitecture will vaporize.

Many rental areas or similar have entire buildings, that are "meant" to be there, built by residents other than the land owner and persisting due to zero autoreturn. How can the Lindens tell that the griefer's prim isn't one of these?

Some very interesting points made on this thread.

Wow, Give you $1 per metre now and 50c if you wait to the last day. You better sell now seeing you are so sure about being locked out, be worth even less afterwards of course when everyone is locked out, maybe 1c per meter. Because I am worried I might have the land confiscated afterwards too when I can't get in to divide it into 16m parcels at $1m each.

Then again if you had read and posted in the other 20 threads instead of starting a nother new one you might have read a few important details the Lindens posted.

As posted in the blog, you are now legally and morally responsible for anything that happens on your land if it is not flagged "adult" or in a PG sim.
LL think they have their assses covered, the rest of us can take a jump.