If You Had to Disclose Your True Identity in SL...
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Jig Chippewa
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01-31-2010 00:17
From: Ponsonby Low I don't think Phil IS splitting hairs (let alone spitting them). There's a genuine, meaningful difference between a LL policy that all avatars must have RL information on file with them, and a LL policy that all avatars must (say) go by their real names and post an email, revealing this RL information to everyone in SL. Judging by theway the votes have gone, if tehy demand a rl email to declare name etc to all and sundry, sl will become a very empty place with tumbleweed rollicking around.
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Phil Deakins
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01-31-2010 04:22
From: Jig Chippewa I just assumed peopel didnt mind revealing to LL as part of course with credit cards etc. I was referring to allowing other avatars to see teh real you behind the persona. I hate too many options. Dont spit hairs. Jigs. I wasn't splitting hairs - or spitting them. I rarely vote in forum polls abut I've wanted to vote in this one, and I've looked at the options more than once, but there isn't one that I can choose to give an accurate vote. The content of the opening post does seem to clarify what you meant, but the poll results can only be taken from its question and chosen answers. I'm sorry, Jig, but, imo, it's a badly prepared poll that doesn't reflect people's attitudes correctly. I.e. if people voted according to what you meant rather than the actual question, then the votes for the "No. I value my privacy" option is a mixture of "no to all" votes and "no to users but yes to LL" votes. It also exludes some "no to users but yes to LL" votes, like mine.
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Brenda Connolly
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01-31-2010 07:03
From: Jig Chippewa Judging by theway the votes have gone, if tehy demand a rl email to declare name etc to all and sundry, sl will become a very empty place with tumbleweed rollicking around. Nebraska
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Ciaran Laval
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01-31-2010 08:31
From: Lissa Fimicoloud LL has my RL info. No one in SL does. They don't need it Indeed, we reveal what we want to and need to, we need to reveal this info to LL and that's a fair deal, revealing it to all and sundry is not needed.
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Esquievel Easterwood
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01-31-2010 12:17
From: Oryx Tempel Sigh. If you must know, I'm actually Aishwarya Rai and I'm a famous Bollywood actress. So there. Aishwarya Rai, too.
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Phil Deakins
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01-31-2010 15:05
No. I'm Aishwarya Rai and so is my wife.
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Ponsonby Low
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01-31-2010 15:20
From: Scylla Rhiadra I think the Lindens have been making them self scarce here -- with the sole exception maybe of Torley -- since well before the new blogs went up. It would be interesting to know why, wouldn't it?
I had hoped, given that there have been numerous direct appeals to Wallace to drop by here, including at least two from me, that he'd see fit to poke his head in. The fact that he is ignoring (and it can only be deliberate) said appeals does not bode well. How hard would it be for him to pop into one of the appropriate threads and wave?
I remain utterly perplexed about Wallace's "job description." Early on, in his "Hello" blog thread, he suggested it was largely about marketing. But his post on social networks and identity had me hopeful that he was also going to be directing his gaze inward, to those already here. Now, to be honest, I just don't know. He really seems to have had his legs cut out from beneath him by the announcement of Avatars United. It was spectacularly bad management practice to humiliate Wallace that way (by not giving him any advance notice of the Avatars United acquisition). Things like this cause me to ponder the conspiracy theory that Philip handed LL to Mark Kingdon precisely because he knew he'd destroy it, and then the non-compete clause that keeps Philip from starting a fresh virtual world would expire and he could make the SL he really wants, having learned the lessons of this one.
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Anya Yalin
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01-31-2010 15:29
I have only revealed my true identity to maybe 4 close friends. If SL disclosed my RL info, I probably would've signed on under a false name. I do value my privacy, and I don't want my real life mixing with my online one. I don't want RL acquaintances for example to talk to me about SL or stop by my store.
Maybe I heard this wrong (and haven't read the whole thread, so maybe this was mentioned), but it's my understanding that when you file a DMCA against someone your real information will be disclosed? I find that thought very, very frightening. And I really don't see why that's necessary.
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Dakota Tebaldi
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01-31-2010 15:33
LL already knows my RL identity, since I once had a Premium account.
I don't know, otherwise. If LL suddenly required everyone to put RL information in their profiles - It might rub me the wrong way, but not so badly that I'd quit SL. I think.
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Gabriele Graves
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01-31-2010 15:39
I am fine with the extensionists getting off-world tools that link all their online identities if that is what they desire but the moment it becomes mandatory for everyone will be the day I close my accounts.
If I want my RL to be disclosed, I will choose to do so. I will not be forced into it.
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Michele Wardark
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01-31-2010 15:51
No problem to completely hide or show identity. Problems come when trust is not gived equally.
Personally I will like to be in a virtual world with ONLY real verified identities. With no exceptions allowed.
A trustful place would be.
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Gabriele Graves
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01-31-2010 15:53
From: Michele Wardark No problem to completely hide or show identity. Problems come when trust is not gived equally.
Personally I will like to be in a virtual world with ONLY real verified identities. With no exceptions allowed.
A trustful place would be. Just like the real world is a trustful place I suppose? 
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Brenda Connolly
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01-31-2010 15:54
From: Michele Wardark No problem to completely hide or show identity. Problems come when trust is not gived equally.
Personally I will like to be in a virtual world with ONLY real verified identities. With no exceptions allowed.
A trustful place would be. Probably boring, too.
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Qie Niangao
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01-31-2010 16:04
From: Scylla Rhiadra I think the Lindens have been making them self scarce here -- with the sole exception maybe of Torley -- since well before the new blogs went up. It would be interesting to know why, wouldn't it? Yes, *well* before the new blogs went up, and indeed ever since the Great Archiving that did away with General Topics, Linden Answers, etc, Linden posts have been few and far between. There is Linden lore of much internal contention about the forums, way back then, that was never really resolved. From: someone I had hoped, given that there have been numerous direct appeals to Wallace to drop by here, including at least two from me, that he'd see fit to poke his head in. The fact that he is ignoring (and it can only be deliberate) said appeals does not bode well. How hard would it be for him to pop into one of the appropriate threads and wave? The most optimistic interpretation I can devise is that he's in full bureaucratic "not my job" mode. More likely, I fear, is that he sees no point in giving us false hope. From: someone I remain utterly perplexed about Wallace's "job description." Early on, in his "Hello" blog thread, he suggested it was largely about marketing. But his post on social networks and identity had me hopeful that he was also going to be directing his gaze inward, to those already here. Now, to be honest, I just don't know. He really seems to have had his legs cut out from beneath him by the announcement of Avatars United. I'm not so sure. The more he knew about (or even maybe was directly involved with) that acquisition, the less he could say about it. Admittedly, his "Real You" blog post makes for strange reading now, post-AU, but it's possible to see it as a kind of cover, a worst case scenario, quite intentionally floated in advance of the acquisition--which may well be better received now because of the scare he put into us first. "Conversation Manager" or not, he doesn't get to make a post on the official blog without vetting them through a VP or two. Somebody thought that post would serve some purpose, and I rather doubt that somebody has any interest in setting up a greenhorn for failure. So it's possible that he could be cannon fodder, but nobody went to any special effort to align him with the cannons.
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Weston Graves
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01-31-2010 16:05
From: Ponsonby Low Things like this cause me to ponder the conspiracy theory that Philip handed LL to Mark Kingdon precisely because he knew he'd destroy it, and then the non-compete clause that keeps Philip from starting a fresh virtual world would expire and he could make the SL he really wants, having learned the lessons of this one.
If that is the case, I wish he would do it soon, before SL becomes a mundane dating service or whatever it it seems to be becoming.
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Brenda Connolly
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01-31-2010 16:12
From: Qie Niangao Yes, *well* before the new blogs went up, and indeed ever since the Great Archiving that did away with General Topics, Linden Answers, etc, Linden posts have been few and far between. There is Linden lore of much internal contention about the forums, way back then, that was never really resolved. The most optimistic interpretation I can devise is that he's in full bureaucratic "not my job" mode. More likely, I fear, is that he sees no point in giving us false hope. I'm not so sure. The more he knew about (or even maybe was directly involved with) that acquisition, the less he could say about it.
Admittedly, his "Real You" blog post makes for strange reading now, post-AU, but it's possible to see it as a kind of cover, a worst case scenario, quite intentionally floated in advance of the acquisition--which may well be better received now because of the scare he put into us first.
"Conversation Manager" or not, he doesn't get to make a post on the official blog without vetting them through a VP or two. Somebody thought that post would serve some purpose, and I rather doubt that somebody has any interest in setting up a greenhorn for failure. So it's possible that he could be cannon fodder, but nobody went to any special effort to align him with the cannons. Someone pointed out to me the other day that Wallace actually was reading this forum, by virtue of looking at the "Who's Online" feature, at the top of the page. Which I didn't know even existed.
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Ponsonby Low
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01-31-2010 23:55
From: Weston Graves If that is the case, I wish he would do it soon, before SL becomes a mundane dating service or whatever it it seems to be becoming. Yes, we may be reduced to hoping that Philip is busily working in secret somewhere, getting Third Life ready for us...
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Scylla Rhiadra
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02-01-2010 00:39
From: Ponsonby Low It was spectacularly bad management practice to humiliate Wallace that way (by not giving him any advance notice of the Avatars United acquisition). I suspect that Qie is right, and that he did know, and that there was some elusive purpose to the post, and its timing. Whether it succeeded in that purpose or not, Wallace certainly doesn't come out looking great as a result. I'm sorry about that -- on his behalf, but also because I'd LIKE this "Conversation Manager" thing to actually work in a useful way, and this certainly did help that.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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02-01-2010 00:42
From: Qie Niangao The most optimistic interpretation I can devise is that he's in full bureaucratic "not my job" mode. More likely, I fear, is that he sees no point in giving us false hope. I suspect, sadly, that your last scenario is the correct one. I think it's a VERY bad sign that he hasn't posted here.
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Ponsonby Low
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02-01-2010 01:08
From: Scylla Rhiadra I suspect that Qie is right, and that he did know, and that there was some elusive purpose to the post, and its timing. Whether it succeeded in that purpose or not, Wallace certainly doesn't come out looking great as a result.
I'm sorry about that -- on his behalf, but also because I'd LIKE this "Conversation Manager" thing to actually work in a useful way, and this certainly did help that. I'd like it to work out, too. I don't enjoy the thought that the current leadership is either genuinely working toward the demise of the company, OR genuinely deluded about a Glorious Future in which only corporations and Facebookers use SL--spending billions, of course, to do so--and all us pesky immersionists will be gone. As for Wallace: if he had been on the loop on the AU acquisition, naturally he wouldn't have mentioned it in advance of the official announcement. But............why wouldn't he, like other Lindens, have made an account over there, in advance of the announcement? I just can't think of any reason other than 'hadn't been told this was going down.'
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Melita Magic
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02-01-2010 01:24
Acquiring AU seems somehow promising to me. Companies that are planning to close up or scale down do not do things like that.
Microsoft buys up anything that might conceivably one day cut in or compete. Hotmail. Web Tv. Etc. Etc.
Maybe, just maybe, instead of SL becoming narrower by moving toward things like Facebook apps, it's seeking to become all inclusive. Cornering the virtual market, as it were?
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Jig Chippewa
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02-01-2010 06:16
From: Michele Wardark No problem to completely hide or show identity. Problems come when trust is not gived equally.
Personally I will like to be in a virtual world with ONLY real verified identities. With no exceptions allowed.
A trustful place would be. Right, yeah, and little piggies will sprout wings and I will become a virgin again. (The floating pigs is more the lickly one)
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Bloodsong Termagant
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02-01-2010 06:40
which real identity? :X honestly, though... this reminds me of a funny anecdote. nobody on second life knows my 'real life' gender. oh, a lot of people THINK they know. one person said they knew my gender because they knew me in real life. the funny thing? the 'real life' they know me from is... get this... an online forum. sorry, i just think that's funny 
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