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AWM Mars

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07-04-2007 07:54

From: Innes McLeod

There was no analogy made there. That was a direct quote from Lee Linden....
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In the message he makes this statement...

"Before purchasing any multi-CPU systems, we tested them thoroughly. (They're multi-CPU, Wayfinder, and that is a dramatically difference performance situation than multi-core. If you can please correct this in any future posts, it'd be helpful.) The machines are well over twice as fast as a class2 machine. The CPUs are about 25% faster, and the total memory bandwidth is very, very fast (yes, over twice)."

The 4CPU statement was theirs not mine. All I added was the class 5 line, as the class 5 servers were the same as class 4 with various upgrades.

I'm sorry I pointed the analogy at you, when clearly LL's personel are giving off mixed messages and technical details regarding exactly what IS used on their systems. Other LL posts made claims to the systems I reported.

On the 'http://forums.secondlife.com/showpost.php?p=690056&postcount=13' there seems to be an apathy shown towards, what is clearly LL customers, when they report Lag issues. Do LL really expect us to all become overnight techies, and run about with meters etc offering them 'exact' details as to what appertains to be lag? At best, this is a shoddy cop out by them, and one they can easily hide behind. We are NOT network experts, nor do we have any useful information about their systems to be able to offer details regarding lag in what is clearly their domain and service.
The only thing the average user can offer, is their 'experiences' and relation to surfing the web, or playing other online games. Judging by the level of issues reported on these forums on a constant basis, they need to have some butt kicking sessions and perhaps employ a PR person(s) that understand where customers come from!
I believe customer loyalty has been pushed to the limits in recent months, with the clamity of customer support being withdrawn/withheld, billing issues, updates containing more bugs than the last offering, systems previously 'fixed' becoming broken again in the next offerings of updates.

I do know... a company I work with very closely in SL and RL, have won the contract to act as 3rd party testers for LL's software, and I trust them to get it right. It maybe too little too late for some, but with that knowledge, I'm going to hang in there a while longer.

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Usagi Musashi

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07-04-2007 08:26

From: Aleister Montgomery

Intel instead of AMD is a HUGE improvement.

Didnt say it was not .......But as i said before its only 2 extra giga your getting with Class 5 servers........
Done.

Aleister Montgomery

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Join date: 30 Apr 2006

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07-04-2007 11:40

From: Usagi Musashi

Didnt say it was not .......But as i said before its only 2 extra giga your getting with Class 5 servers........
Done.

Not done. You'll get 4 GB instead of 2 GB, correct. You'll also get TWO Intel Xeon 5148 dual core CPUs instead of ONE AMD Opteron 270 dual core CPU. An upgrade from dual core to quad core, not only from rip-off to Intel. Plus, class 5 servers use SATA harddisks, unlike class 4 servers, which will also be a huge performance leap considering how much data they likely cache and swap.

Dana Hickman

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07-04-2007 12:48

From: Aleister Montgomery

Not done. You'll get 4 GB instead of 2 GB, correct. You'll also get TWO Intel Xeon 5148 dual core CPUs instead of ONE AMD Opteron 270 dual core CPU. An upgrade from dual core to quad core, not only from rip-off to Intel. Plus, class 5 servers use SATA harddisks, unlike class 4 servers, which will also be a huge performance leap considering how much data they likely cache and swap.

It's TWO Opteron 270's (2 sockets, 2 cores each)... the 170 is the the single socket, dual core equivalent. The differences are the increase in memory amount, and possibly speed, the amount of embedded L3 cache on the CPU itself, the increase in FSB speed, and the small difference SATA makes under SL conditions.

Usagi Musashi

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07-04-2007 16:50

You know something we dont? I am sorry but your buying in into the llabs belief we are better off now then before. But frankly issues of teleporting, rezzing objects, lag is al the same. If your in a high population class 5 server you would understand this. Also you forgetting they shared between other island owners as well. And resently class 5 servers lag is getting worse. Because hardware can`t keepup with the volume of users and or online users.

Done

Sims and Servers...WHAT!!??
AWM Mars Scarey Dude :¬) Join date: 10 Apr 2004 Posts: 3,398	07-04-2007 07:54 From: Innes McLeod There was no analogy made there. That was a direct quote from Lee Linden.... /111/2f/66175/1.html#post690056/111/2f/66175/1.html#post690056 In the message he makes this statement... "Before purchasing any multi-CPU systems, we tested them thoroughly. (They're multi-CPU, Wayfinder, and that is a dramatically difference performance situation than multi-core. If you can please correct this in any future posts, it'd be helpful.) The machines are well over twice as fast as a class2 machine. The CPUs are about 25% faster, and the total memory bandwidth is very, very fast (yes, over twice)." The 4CPU statement was theirs not mine. All I added was the class 5 line, as the class 5 servers were the same as class 4 with various upgrades. I'm sorry I pointed the analogy at you, when clearly LL's personel are giving off mixed messages and technical details regarding exactly what IS used on their systems. Other LL posts made claims to the systems I reported. On the 'http://forums.secondlife.com/showpost.php?p=690056&postcount=13' there seems to be an apathy shown towards, what is clearly LL customers, when they report Lag issues. Do LL really expect us to all become overnight techies, and run about with meters etc offering them 'exact' details as to what appertains to be lag? At best, this is a shoddy cop out by them, and one they can easily hide behind. We are NOT network experts, nor do we have any useful information about their systems to be able to offer details regarding lag in what is clearly their domain and service. The only thing the average user can offer, is their 'experiences' and relation to surfing the web, or playing other online games. Judging by the level of issues reported on these forums on a constant basis, they need to have some butt kicking sessions and perhaps employ a PR person(s) that understand where customers come from! I believe customer loyalty has been pushed to the limits in recent months, with the clamity of customer support being withdrawn/withheld, billing issues, updates containing more bugs than the last offering, systems previously 'fixed' becoming broken again in the next offerings of updates. I do know... a company I work with very closely in SL and RL, have won the contract to act as 3rd party testers for LL's software, and I trust them to get it right. It maybe too little too late for some, but with that knowledge, I'm going to hang in there a while longer. _____________________ * Politeness is priceless when received, cost nothing to own or give, yet many cannot afford - Why do you only see typo's AFTER you have clicked submit? http://www.wba-advertising.com http://www.nex-core-mm.com http://www.eml-entertainments.com http://www.v-innovate.com
Usagi Musashi UM ™® Join date: 24 Oct 2004 Posts: 6,083	07-04-2007 08:26 From: Aleister Montgomery Intel instead of AMD is a HUGE improvement. Didnt say it was not .......But as i said before its only 2 extra giga your getting with Class 5 servers........ Done.
Aleister Montgomery Minding the gap Join date: 30 Apr 2006 Posts: 846	07-04-2007 11:40 From: Usagi Musashi Didnt say it was not .......But as i said before its only 2 extra giga your getting with Class 5 servers........ Done. Not done. You'll get 4 GB instead of 2 GB, correct. You'll also get TWO Intel Xeon 5148 dual core CPUs instead of ONE AMD Opteron 270 dual core CPU. An upgrade from dual core to quad core, not only from rip-off to Intel. Plus, class 5 servers use SATA harddisks, unlike class 4 servers, which will also be a huge performance leap considering how much data they likely cache and swap.
Dana Hickman Leather & Lace™ Join date: 10 Oct 2006 Posts: 1,515	07-04-2007 12:48 From: Aleister Montgomery Not done. You'll get 4 GB instead of 2 GB, correct. You'll also get TWO Intel Xeon 5148 dual core CPUs instead of ONE AMD Opteron 270 dual core CPU. An upgrade from dual core to quad core, not only from rip-off to Intel. Plus, class 5 servers use SATA harddisks, unlike class 4 servers, which will also be a huge performance leap considering how much data they likely cache and swap. It's TWO Opteron 270's (2 sockets, 2 cores each)... the 170 is the the single socket, dual core equivalent. The differences are the increase in memory amount, and possibly speed, the amount of embedded L3 cache on the CPU itself, the increase in FSB speed, and the small difference SATA makes under SL conditions.
Usagi Musashi UM ™® Join date: 24 Oct 2004 Posts: 6,083	07-04-2007 16:50 You know something we dont? I am sorry but your buying in into the llabs belief we are better off now then before. But frankly issues of teleporting, rezzing objects, lag is al the same. If your in a high population class 5 server you would understand this. Also you forgetting they shared between other island owners as well. And resently class 5 servers lag is getting worse. Because hardware can`t keepup with the volume of users and or online users. Done

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