Mr Lee's Greater Hong Kong 16 sq.m.'s Empire

*points up to Lewis' post*

That makes complete sense.....which means LL will never do it. *smirks*

Quick note to all talking about "walling" in those plots:
It is agaisnt the CS to obstruct another Residents view or access to thier plot. If you place up a wall right at the border, maker sure it is 1) Phantom. and 2) invisible/transparent from the other person's side.

ie, they must be able to travel frely and see out. If you own along the sides, however, you can block view from your property TO thiers.

I build 1-prim blockers using TempOnRez for such things for friends. I'm restricted on hieghts due to build limitations on linking prims (the need for higher blocking may need a few more prims). If anyone wants some built, or just wants the scripts and ideas on how, IM me and I'll be glad to help. No charge. It's quite simple, as well as legal ^.~

I hate 16m plots for ads and/or for land extortion. Niether have a place in SL, imo.

~Jessy

Chris will swap them for another piece of land in the sim if you offer, and he prefers roadside. He really does seem to want these to be seen.

Or you could just pay the price he's asking. Which he will use to buy another parcel in your sim, carve it up, and sell all of it except a 16m2 and do it again.

I also tried to block the view of these signs once. He has a great lil spot near my sim, a corner piece so it actually affects 4 sims and annoy many people all at once. When he found my trees were not on or affecting his land at all (thus, being unremovable since he wasnt blocked on the other 3 sides of his cozy 16 sqm) he simply raised the signs above tree level. I promptly built a house with a convinent chimney in front of his signs for a while before moving due to growth but I'm rather sure they would have been moved again.

Like others, I see no point in it. The use of the land being for sale is either to gain a tidy sum of money from frustrated neighbors or free advertising. If everyone would refuse to click on the signs (no profit in no sales) and just refuse to buy these plots he would eventually be forced to move on from this advertising tactic. Best rule has always been 'ignore them and they will go away.' At least worth a shot

Do we REALLY want more rules & regs in SL? It could get pretty stifling once someone with more noble goals needs to implement them on many 16 sqm parcels were we to have rules regulating such usage.

Or is there a way that we can organically change the behavior of such a "land griever?" Counter adverts? Lobby for buybacks (as was already suggested?) Ability for NGO/NonProfit groups to place warnings in the search dialogs (again, something that'd have to be lobbied?)

We need to remember that Sr. Lee has PAID for these parcels & LL has received profit from those sales. Both have a vested interest in the way things already are-change will be difficult to catalyze.

I don't know that _I_ have the answer but I do know that legalism kills in its ultimage weight and constrictions.

(BTW, I HAVE searched for land and found myself in his lil plots 'o marketing death. I hate 'em too.)

FWIW-Prom

People will continue to make these small ad plots as long as it makes them money by people buying them to "get rid" of them.

Limiting prims on smaller plots of land might stop this, but I don't see this happening anytime soon.

In the real world, this kind of activity is impossible as most local governments have strict regulations on signage, and micro-real estate deals thus make no sense there.

Without signage regulation or increased zoning "laws" in SL mainland areas, this will probably keep happening.

In cases of people putting 16 sq m ad plots up for sale for extortionate prices, because they clearly are obtrusive, spoil the view and lower the value of surrounding land... yes, without a doubt.

Lewis

One would look at my mass of 16m2 plots and immediately assume I am doing this only with the intentions of extorting the land. This could not be further from the truth. Please do not include me in this land extort scheme witch hunt; Being as that I assign a value to these small plots as soon as I place my free vendor for tshirts on them. I may not be the "hottest" clothing designer in SL, and my shirts might be a little distasteful to some but I have found there is a market for them and the best way for me to spread my product (in my current tier allotment) is to purchase these small plots and place my vendor on them. Also note that while I do make the plots available for sale, they are at a reasonable price. Therefore if a neighbor truly despises the idea, they can (affordably) buy me out. Also...I think my new vendors are damn sexy and noobs love free clothing! Lastly, I fully understand that many people hate on me for doing what I do but please note that I do have the community in mind while scheming.

I used to do the same thing. I had a little empire of 16sm through 64sm plots that I put little parrot stores on. They were, I thought, tastefully designed and not bothering anyone. But due to the rise of people land griefing with similar small plots, I got tarred with the same brush. One of my plots was in the middle of someone else's "prim land" (meaning it wasn't actually built on, just used by another plot in the sim for it's prim allotment.) This person lost their mind when I put up my vendor. They put up a big sign next to it calling me names and I got banned from any of their properties. It was nuts. And it was kind of sad for me, since I liked having all of that land. I finally had to sell all of the really small plots (except one in Newman, which is a small shrine to NASCAR driver Ryan Newman.)

To the original poster in this thread, follow the advice of the person who said to look up the "Impeach" threads. There are legit ways to deal with the "extortion" people. Banning small parcels outright just hurts the people looking for a place to put small projects, those that really need the 3 extra prims for another plot in the same sim or those who want to put up legal advertisements and are willing to work with their neighbors. The "extortion" people will just move up to the next available size and do it all again.

I guess most annoyed and experienced residents do that, but we are getting tons of newbies all the time that have no clue.

Think the profit to LL from people that get annoyed by 16 sqm parcel abusers is way bigger then from the abusers themself. With a micro plot of 16 sqm you can affect a very huge zone, and 16 sqm is 1/4096 of a sim.