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Colette Meiji
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05-24-2007 08:41
If its true Linden Labs decides to "handle" the coming of large scale bots, by favoring the bots and bot creators. As it apears they will...

Then there supposed protection of "banning" this or that bot from yoru land needs to be improved.

Since people are so loathe to Flag the Bots, then we should be able to Flag our land.

adding a "NO BOTS" flag that Bots can easily identify before they mine your data. A responsibly run bot will be set up to treat a Parcel with the "No Bots" flag on as if its banned.
Allison Selene
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05-24-2007 08:46
From: Meade Paravane
Your analogy isn't much better - if it was possible for somebody to scan every item in your home, somebody would.


Nice attempt to try to avoid my question. You work for Electric Sheep too?

I will ask it again:

A simple yes or no to this question is all I need to know: is your bot is scanning every object on the grid?
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Meade Paravane
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05-24-2007 08:51
From: Allison Selene
You work for Electric Sheep too?

:rolleyes:

From: Allison Selene
I will ask it again:

A simple yes or no to this question is all I need to know: is your bot is scanning every object on the grid?

No.
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05-24-2007 10:46
The problem, Har, with your use of the phrase "on track" is that what you mean really is "back in line with my way of thinking". This spoils any opportunity for reasoned debate.

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Hhmm. Rusty and his pals seem to want a flame war here. Methinks this thread is making them nervous.

Best response: Get the thread back on track and press the pedal to the metal once it is.
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05-24-2007 11:55
From: Meade Paravane
:rolleyes:


No.

Is this an answer? Is this an Electric Sheep person who knows, who has just said that the searchbot doesn't scan all the items?

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Colette Meiji
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05-24-2007 12:19
From: Cocoanut Koala
Is this an answer? Is this an Electric Sheep person who knows, who has just said that the searchbot doesn't scan all the items?

coco


I think Forsetti basically admitted it does scan all items on places its not banned. This is allowed by the TOS/CS, I guess.

Its not Meade's bot though- I do not think - and she was responding to someone who said it was.
Rusty Satyr
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05-24-2007 12:21
From: Allison Selene
Nice attempt to try to avoid my question. You work for Electric Sheep too?

I will ask it again:

A simple yes or no to this question is all I need to know: is your bot is scanning every object on the grid?


No. Objects in private sims that the searchbot can't enter... or doesn't know about will not be scanned.

Also, (and this appears to be a server limitation, not a client limitation) prims smaller than 0.1 x 0.1 x 0.1 don't seem to get downloaded to the client unless the avatar is within 30m or so.

Likely the searchbot is moving along swiftly enough and in wide enough of a search pattern that many small objects will just be completely missed.

I have no doubt that their searchbot DOES scan everything that appears within range of its view however.

This answer is based upon an understanding of secondlife and bot theory... I am not affiliated with esc in any deliberate way.
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Rusty Satyr
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05-24-2007 12:45
From: Colette Meiji
Not acceptable -
I thought voice was optional.

Not acceptable-
What they are doing is not against the TOS/CS - its just against what I want to happen on my land.

That will never happen.

Not acceptable -
Bots arent griefers, they are automated dataminers, Automated land buyers, automated picture snappers, Automated Survey takers, Automated WTF/E.

If were told one way to keep the searchbot away is to ban it - If this is a real solution it should be scalable. If its the solution for 1 bot its the solution for 500.

We sure will


Voice is optional... I'm just saying that if you got a bot on voice-chat you'd know immediately it wasn't human. ;)

For the rest, LL is unlikely to be able or willing to offer options to deal with 'bots' that are any different than how we deal with 'people'. Any tool that could be used against bots... can be abused and used unfairly against humans as well.

Sadly, the natural outcome will be more people retreating to gated communities, some run by highly reputable people like Desmond Shang... others run by unknown NWM (newbies with money). They'll set up "by invitation only" areas so that the community can eject any identified anti-bot, anti-griefer, anti-minor, anti-ageplayer, anti-whatever as they like.

I don't think LL favors bots and their owners OVER normal residents... I think they intend to deal with them equally.

Seeing as how LL is just really unlikely to change their position on bots, some compromise is necessary for protection: Cost (private sims) or freedom (living under an estate manager).

If that isn't acceptable... I wish you luck finding a better solution or a better home. :(
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Meade Paravane
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05-24-2007 12:55
From: Cocoanut Koala
Is this an answer? Is this an Electric Sheep person who knows, who has just said that the searchbot doesn't scan all the items?

coco

Yes, it's an answer. No, I don't work for ESC.

I don't think it's possible to scan an isolated island that has restricted access. They are not, therefore, scanning the entire grid.

From: Colette Meiji
I think Forsetti basically admitted it does scan all items on places its not banned. This is allowed by the TOS/CS, I guess.

Its not Meade's bot though- I do not think - and she was responding to someone who said it was.

Yeah. That, too. I don't have any bots so when rudely asked for a yes/no on if my bots are scanning the entire grid, I will answer with a simple no.

TY for remembering the 'she' part, Colette. :)
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Brenda Archer
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05-27-2007 10:22
From: Rusty Satyr

Also, (and this appears to be a server limitation, not a client limitation) prims smaller than 0.1 x 0.1 x 0.1 don't seem to get downloaded to the client unless the avatar is within 30m or so.


Is this really true? I can think of a number of very useful uses for it if it is.

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Rusty Satyr
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05-27-2007 13:29
From: Brenda Archer
Is this really true? I can think of a number of very useful uses for it if it is.

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Pretty much! It's a level of detail thing.... I can't say whether the client or the server is controlling this aspect though.
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Matthew Dowd
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06-01-2007 16:00
In looking though the new support pages I came across this:

From: someone

Someone in Second Life is taking pictures, screenshots, or video of Residents without their permission, or in private areas.

Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Lives. Screenshots or video taken without permission, in an area where Residents reasonably expect privacy, might violate Linden Lab's rules against disclosure; or, more generally, might constitute harassment.


Now I would argue that having your objects scanned by a bot without your permission and knowledge was also an intrusion of that "reasonable level of privacy" as much as having pictures or videos taken.
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