I've been burgled?

Had a very strange incident over the weekend. A few months ago, I had built a guest house for my RL father who occasionally drops into SL. For kicks I bought a picture viewer (don't remember who made it) and I decorated it to look like a plasma TV and dropped screen captures from his favorite TV shows into it.

Well over the weekend someone 'bought' that TV for 0L

To my knowledge the thing wasn't even for sale, I certainly didn't set it for sale on purpose. Only a couple of really close friends have mod rights on my things and they wouldn't have done it. I rezzed another picture viewer I had to see if perhaps it was set for sale from the start but no it wasn't.

What's even more interesting is that I have auto return ON but when I checked objects, there was an invisible prim in the corner of the guest house under where the TV had been, belonging to the same person who bought my TV. I checked and it appeared empty, was titled just 'object'. Why wasn't this box returned? My auto return was set for 10 minutes and by the time I found the prim, two days had passed.

Anyway - is it possible I've been officially burgled? Some kind of exploit? Or am I crazy and just not remembering setting it for sale myself? Still, why was that box there? The person is not a member of my group (invite only), that box should have never been allowed to sit there for so long.

I IMed the person explaining that the TV wasn't for sale and asking if they could please return it - they of course ignored me.

You can't count on anything working and working right in sl. Most likely this is one reason why the auto return didn't do it's job, had it been working this probably wouldn't of happened to you.

There's no respect in sl. You have idiots walking into your homes uninvited like it's ok to do so. And if they see something for sale at 0L like this knucklehead, they'll take it then ignore you when you call them like you did.

This is why I have an eject security system on my land. All of sudden I have people just swooping down uninvite. I have it setup that as soon as they come within range all they get is one warning then they'll get blasted and ejected and ejected far, not just to the next land or so, then banned.

Was the TV set 'for sale' at 0 L$ and you were selling the original, rather than a copy. If that is the case, then unfortunately the 'buyer' was doing no wrong as he might have assumed the TV was a freebie.

It needed to be set 'not for sale' or 'sell copy' to prevent original being lost, I think.

off topic, but his caught my eye.
"This is why I have an eject security system on my land. All of sudden I have people just swooping down uninvite. I have it setup that as soon as they come within range all they get is one warning then they'll get blasted and ejected and ejected far, not just to the next land or so, then banned." I had this happen to me flying over someones property, I was too hight to even see the property, got the warning, kept flying to get off the property, and bam SL shuts down. Not good. There should be a better way to do this so that it wont effect transients flying over. Just put up the keep off barrier.

Then I hope the get a reasonable amount of time to get out of the way.

i had a really nice shower taken about 3 weeks back..it was not set for sale..i droped it in our sim and it didn't stay there for 15 seconds before it poof was gone for good..it's the first time anything like that ever happend..i searched the sim searched my inventory even searched nearby sims just to make sure i wasn't crazy lol..it was a very nice shower but i kind of giggle at all the time i spent looking for it now..it does make me wonder if a bot had gotten it or not though..

Sorry, dont buy the 'buyer was doing nothing wrong' bit if he was in a private residence walking around looking for things to take. he HAD to try and take it to find out it was able to be taken, that or he was skimming the room looking for things with a 0 sale tag on them. Invasion of someones home and then walking off with anything not nailed down is theft, no matter how you look at it.

Here we go again

I heard that no modify items often have this problem with sale price you can't unclick the buy when you buy so often the price is still there for anyone to buy. So for example you buy item that is no modify but it still says its for sell and you take it home, and someone can stumble in and buy it for 0.
Or sometimes I swear there can be these weird glitches where things like permissions change unknown to owners for some freaky reason making item change its permissions including for sale 0?
Has anyone ever noticed this?
Is this still true?

To my knowledge the TV was NOT set for sale. If it were, then yeah, my bad I suppose. Sucks, ticks me off since it was on my private property but meh, what are ya gonna do?

As is, it wasn't for sale (unless I screwed up but really, I don't make a habit of setting things for sale for the fun of it). It was in my LOCKED guesthouse. I got a notice that the person had tried the door - even after being denied entrance they managed to get in and walk off with my TV.

I've got a sign in front of the guesthouse saying trespassers will be shot, blah blah. It was meant to be funny but now I'm taking it to the next level. I've recruited my scripting nerd to write me a script that will eject anyone who touches the door if they aren't on the access list.

Hey, they were warned.

Muaaahahahahaaaaa!

Wonder if it was SLB's bot looking for things?

Unfortunately, anyone who has been in SL for any time can get around ever having to touch the door. Tis why we need to be able to have walls that are solid, with no way of cheating the system to get inside.

anything i value i lock down in the edit..i now check to see if things are forsale while i am in the edit also since i heard about these buy bots..i lost everything i had when i first got into sl and rented my first home..someone had told me they were all set for sale all but my bed which a friend had locked down after he edited it for me..i think if they are locked down they cannot buy the item or something..but my bed was also not for sale.niether was my tv and a couple of my items that were missing with the others..
get an orb to send them to the moon or into the ground and lock everything to the house then lock the house down too to the ground..

I had a model up FOR sale, that people couldn't buy from in the last week or so, even though people had bought from it before.

I looked it over; yes, everything was set correctly.

I deleted it and put out a copy and it worked fine. Sounds like a troublesome bug to say the least.

I salute your restraint. Or is it just apathy now?

I really feel sorry for the OP's situation, but as this has happened to me before i knew better...

I can just imagine it ....

" TV for sale L$0"

Of course somebody is going to swoop on that.... it doesnt make it right but in SL it really is a case of if you sell ANYTHING for zero then its sold ..... *poof* gone.

Always make sure that anything and EVERYTHING is tied down like a nut, but the one thing thats been said before is there SHOULD be a "sell to user" rather than a sell button ... because from what I know Items you create dont automatically go on sale... unless of course it was a "freeview tv" in which case its free anyway and set for sale at zero.

Marty

Does the house have windows? Touching the door or not there are ways inside a house without ever getting near the door. An example: I was looking at rental properties recently and happened to be looking at one that was locked, note on the board near the courtyard said 'contact 'X' for an appointment', Rather than try the door I went to the window/wall and just wanted a look inside... it was empty, with the exception of a chair in a far corner with a 'sit ball' on it. I right clicked the chair and it gave me the option to sit. Clicking sit took me right in to the building... I had my quick look around and promptly left. I have never, and would never, have taken anything from inside even if I saw a for sale value of $0 on it. Somethings just take common sense or courtesy.... something your visitor apparently lacked.

Yeah I know there are ways into a house besides the door, but the door is the most obvious and that's what people are going to try first and when they try they will be ejected. Will it stop them? Probably not, just make them more determined but oh how much fun I'll have watching people get bounced. And if I'm feeling particularly ornery I think 'ban' can be added to the script as well.

As for the 'here we go again' and 'I salute your restraint' comments. Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse. I know this crap happens but this particular instance seemed fishy. The TV was not set for sale, there was an INVISIBLE box belonging to the purchaser sitting under where the TV was that didn't get removed by auto return - it all sounded a little fishy to me. I've been in SL long enough to know what's normal and what isn't and this seriously strikes me as a not normal incident. Especially considering everything set for sale defaults to 10L - so to 'accidentally' have set the TV for sale would have involved checking the for sale box and then changing the price. Way too much work to be accidental.

I surfed about on one sim and saw a nifty jukebox, clicked on it and saw 'Take'....

Then noticed a big gap on the floor....and put it right back hahaha

I had no idea stuff could be nicked

Hhmm, that invisible box is very interesting. While it seems very likely your mysterious burglar found your TV set by using the ESC sheepbot - and everyone does need to guard against it, for just this reason - there have been no reports before now of a searchbot grifter leaving a calling card behind. I'd try putting another TV of very modest value on the invisible prim, where the TV was, giving it the same name and an appropriate price, and seeing what if anything happens to it - and the price tag on it. Just for grins, in case there is a new bug or exploit we all need to know about.

I have had this happen to me too - most annoying (not to mention rude) when I didn't want to go on that person's land anyway!

ALWAYS check the permissions on things you Buy, and How they are set when you Lay them Out. If you don't Check, and just take it for Granted everything is Fine things like this will happen.

Angel.

This may or may not be related but:

I have noticed a TON of objects lately that have the "Touch/buy" flag set ($ shows up when mouse is on object) even when they are not for sale. You can't SET this flag on an item unless you first set the item for sale. How is it possible for it to be set on an item that is not for sale?!?

I suspect a bug where after an item is sold as a copy off a show floor and is no longer for sale in your inventory this flag is still set. If you then click no the item is says "This item does not appear to be for sale". WTF? "does not appear?" So it's doing a server check to see if it's for sale or not when you click on it. Even though it's a bed or a tv and clicking on it dhould bring up a menu or possibly something else.

It's entirely possible that in that situation one of the billion server glitches a day reports back that the item IS for sale or maybe a lost packet makes the server assume it is for sale at whatever the current price is. But the fact is the "This item appers to not be for sale" error should NEVER happen, it's a situation that's half way between being for sale and not being for sale from the client view and is half way to this kind of problem happening.

Whatever is causing that situation needs to be fixed, and it's happening a LOT based on newer items I've seen friends buy lately.

BTW there have been reports of for-sale boxes and prices spontaneously reverting or otherwise changing back to for-sale checked and price 0 or 10. (One possible source: sim resets.) Gotta check for that. Helps IMO to rename everything to something that sounds worthless or unremarkable rather than or along with continually rechecking every item rezzed.

*sigh* Refer to that thread about the ESC bot scouring the land and gathering data on objects which are set for sale. There's no need to repeat all of that here again.

Thing is, I've seen my fair share of items which are set up for sale for L$0 as well - intentionally or not; where it makes sense or not. A bot doesn't make any difference and there's always someone thinking a TV set for L$0 would be a great deal, wether it was intended by the owner or not.

So... check twice wether permissions and sale settings are right, then check again after placing that object inworld.

Then you can be sure you lost that object due to a bug or an exploit... report, but don't expect to get any refund; SL's TOS made sure that LL won't get charged for the bugs in their code. (Feel free to insert a harsher statement here, if you're inclined to do so)