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Innula Zenovka
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01-09-2010 06:19
From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
There's all this jive talkin' in the official blogs about the milestones Second Life Answers has hit
Competent drivers don't often do that, of course. Do you think they're confusing milestones with targets?
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01-09-2010 06:24
From: Brenda Connolly
SL Answers is Cack.


Hey that's my line!
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01-09-2010 06:27
From: Ann Otoole
2nd: Lexie Linden is closing blog forum threads after they reach a certain number of pages with a statement directing people to this forum for long discussions. So I doubt LL is planning to kill this forum off anytime soon.


Not sure about that, apparently they've put off closing these forums for too long. They have talked migration but if SL Answers is a replacement for Resident Answers then it's not going to have a happy ending.

They actively discourage discussion in SL Answers.
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01-09-2010 06:27
Second Life Answers is working well - apart from the software.
Clearspace is awful and there have been a huge number of requests for improvement and a few promises from LL.
NOTHING has actually been done
HOORAH, Lexie says better links to SLA are 'improvements'
No-one likes the software.

The SLX forums were closed-down and everyone was moved to Clearspace.
Yes, there's nothing wrong with preventing discussion in SLA - the commerce forums all them, just like here.
But no-one likes the software
Please repeat above.

LL's stated intention was to have just one 'forum' software to maintain, which makes sense.
With SLA on Clearspace and the commerce forums moved there too, these fora were meant to be moved over too.
That doesn't mean discussions will stop - see above.
But no-one likes the software
Please repeat above
Innula Zenovka
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01-09-2010 06:30
From: Elric Anatine
SL Answers is largely useless. I suppose it's fine if one has a question and needs and answer, but insofar as having a worthy discussion... it's a terrible format for this. And the less said about the value and search capabilities, the better.

It's a shame LL will close this forum, but it seems keeping with their other ill conceived ideas.

I do have to wonder though... if maintaining both is the same amount of work, let people choose which they prefer to haunt and keep both.

When this forum closes, I'll look to other places like SC for information, news and socializing outside of SL.
When I have a question, it's usually about a specific technical point, and the first place I'll look is in "search" in the relevant technical forum. That's usually Scripting Tips for me, but I've also found loads of useful stuff in the archives of the other specialized forums, be it texturing or how to use Blender or a problem with the Linux client. If I can't find the answer there, I can ask my question and be confident it will be read by people who know the answer and are generous enough to share their time and expertise providing it.

I really cannot see SL Answers replacing that, not least because it's separating the answers from the invaluable archives in the existing forums.
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01-09-2010 06:30
From: Indeterminate Schism
With SLA on Clearspace and the commerce forums moved there too, these fora were meant to be moved over too.
That doesn't mean discussions will stop - see above.


See Lexie's comments in threads where discussion breaks out on SL Answers, discussion isn't what they want in SL Answers.
Indeterminate Schism
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01-09-2010 08:35
From: Ciaran Laval
See Lexie's comments in threads where discussion breaks out on SL Answers, discussion isn't what they want in SL Answers.


No, ANSWERS is not the place for DISCUSSIONS but the other channels (or whatever LL call them), such as Commerce Forums DO allow discussion.

SO -- when LL move these fora to yet another channel they will continue to allow discussion, but still not in the ANSWERS channel. Hence, "That doesn't mean discussions will stop"

But no-one likes the software, just in case I hadn't mentioned that. So discussions might stop of their own accord, even if LL still allow them. I can't remember where it was discussed (ooh, that word again) but I think the commerce forums have 10% or less of the traffic the XStreet fora used to.
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01-09-2010 09:05
From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
There's all this jive talkin' in the official blogs about the milestones Second Life Answers has hit and how great it is. https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/volunteers/blog/2010/01/08/second-life-answers-hits-a-milestone

Uhm, not. I kinda hate it. I realize that things can take some getting used to when change occurs but I've really tried and just find SL Answers not particularly intuitive to navigate and crap is hard to search for. Sure these forums look kinda ugly and don't quite match up with the prettified web site but for the most part, it works and is functional.

I'm a little concerned that after this cheerful SL Answers blog post, a few weeks later we'll see a post saying something along the lines of "Due to the overwhelming success of Second Life Answers and the positive feedback we've received from our residents, we'll be closing down the old forums and migrating everything into one easy and pretty place to get the answers to all your needs because WE LISTENED AND WE CARE ABOUT YOU!"

So, do you like Second Life Answers? We've all been predicting the demise of these forums for quite some time now but shall we start the death clock ticking after this post? Give us your predictions for when this place gets shut down.


Its even better as at least one linden from the thread? is the blog posts considered threads?
put this in another blog about using forums.

From: someone
Thread Locked. Please remember to follow the guidelines for posting in Second Life Answers. Lengthy discussions or debates are better suited for the Second Life Forums. Please free to continue the discussion there. Thank you!


here https://blogs.secondlife.com/message/65247#65247

looks like they want the blog only for fast turn over and high number of posts. A look at the numbers not the content
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01-09-2010 09:09
From: Ann Otoole
3rd: There are hundreds if not thousands of experts here. There are only 3 experts over there: http://bit.ly/slexperts

OK so number 3 is a joke :P
Wow, all I have to do is go over there and pad my post count and I too can be an "expert".
:rolleyes:
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Innula Zenovka
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01-09-2010 09:29
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Wow, all I have to do is go over there and pad my post count and I too can be an "expert".
:rolleyes:
I like the way Torley isn't, apparently, an expert. An enthusiastic amateur, maybe.
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01-09-2010 09:51
I don't think that the fact that extended "discussions" are referred to these forums means that LL won't close these forums when it strikes their fancy.

I doubt that LL has any real objections to SL Answers being used for "discussions" per se. For example, an extended, possibly never-ending conversation on "ways to build" would probably not move a moderator to action. I think what they don't want is protracted hostility or rudeness whether between "residents" or directed at employees, or endless complaints about LL's integrity or SL's bad performance.

When the number of users who have never used these forums but are used to and content with the support and discussions they can have outside of forums.secondlife.com gets large enough that arousing the ire of the users of forums.secondlife.com would not be a big drawback then I would expect LL to archive these forums.
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01-09-2010 09:51
From: Ciaran Laval
Hey that's my line!


I got tired of waiting.
Ciaran Laval
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01-09-2010 10:15
From: Brenda Connolly
I got tired of waiting.


After two minutes???
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01-09-2010 10:20
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
I don't think that the fact that extended "discussions" are referred to these forums means that LL won't close these forums when it strikes their fancy.


It's completely unrelated, these forums are going to be done in.

From: SuezanneC Baskerville
I doubt that LL has any real objections to SL Answers being used for "discussions" per se. For example, an extended, possibly never-ending conversation on "ways to build" would probably not move a moderator to action. I think what they don't want is protracted hostility or rudeness whether between "residents" or directed at employees, or endless complaints about LL's integrity or SL's bad performance.


I'm not sure, what they seem to want is Yahoo Answers or Experts Exchange type answers, a few posts, one correct answer, award points, all fits nicely on one page.

From: SuezanneC Baskerville
When the number of users who have never used these forums but are used to and content with the support and discussions they can have outside of forums.secondlife.com gets large enough that arousing the ire of the users of forums.secondlife.com would not be a big drawback then I would expect LL to archive these forums.


It will happen sooner rather than later, I'd imagine the reason it hasn't gone yet is more to do with time constraints on the Linden involved than any sort of concern about raising the ire of users on forums.secondlife.com
Jack Abraham
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01-09-2010 10:42
From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
So, do you like Second Life Answers?

It is a piece of excrement and it smells bad. I visited to give it a chance; I'll shout my questions in Ahern before I try to use it again. The flog software layout makes my eyes bleed, and I didn't find any actually useful answers there.
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01-09-2010 11:40
In one sense they are nuts. LL dislikes, I would imagine, not merely the criticism directed at themselves and their employees (and I actually sympathize with the latter, anyway), but also the way in which SL culture presents itself in forums like this. The point, however, is that at least here such comments are inaccessible to anyone without an account. Force these conversations more out into the open, as is already the case at SLU and SCII, and they will be merely ensuring that more of the app's dirty laundry is being aired in public.
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01-09-2010 13:12
From: Ciaran Laval
It will happen sooner rather than later, I'd imagine the reason it hasn't gone yet is more to do with time constraints on the Linden involved then any sort of concern about raising the ire of users on forums.secondlife.com
Oh, they most certainly don't care about us; we're thorns in their side and I'm sure they're disappointed and bemused by our continued existence. *On the other hand*, I would not lightly dismiss "time constraints on the Linden involved." Unless killing off this forum is an objective on somebody's list, it's not likely to happen any time soon. Well, any time at all, actually.

If this creaky old thing will just keep running and nobody looses the card deck they must use to load it up... if it can just hang on until they loose infatuation with the Jive stuff, maybe they'll give us a chance. And that Jive stuff has been around long enough now that it must have lost some of that new shrink-wrapped software aroma.

That's why I suggested StackExchange on the blog discussion. If we can just gently erode the sheen of Jive, maybe "the Linden involved" will keep finding time otherwise committed.
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01-09-2010 21:21
The community over at SL answers is not the people here, and not the people at 'external SL forums.'

SL answers serves a very useful function for the new 'Linden regime' - it makes all of the rest of us moot.

They've managed to attract the customers they want to have be visible to the outside world, and screen out the customers they don't want seen. In that regard its a success for them.

Sooner or later, they will close the door here - most likely as soon as they feel the community there is solid enough that once we lose our place, we won't be able to be a noticed presence over there.

As soon as they can be sure we can be made silent on any official SL location, we're going to see the lights turn off around here.

For the moment however, the forum here still serves a vital purpose: it quarantines us. It keeps the quirky culture here from becoming the driving community theme over there. The community here often argues with each other - but just as often is unified in being critical of the Lindens, even when not unified over what we are critical about. The community there also argues a lot, but is more often not critical of the Lindens in a majority sense. Rather it always manages to present those critical of LL as a deviant fringe.

That's us. The deviant fringe. These forums are the lunatic asylum - for the time being. Safely ignored.
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01-09-2010 22:29
From: Pussycat Catnap
That's us. The deviant fringe. These forums are the lunatic asylum - for the time being. Safely ignored.
*laughs* Well, if we are so fearsome, then when they close this place, they should be afraid, no?



We can dream.

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01-10-2010 07:38
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I'm confused. Why did they launch Second Life Answers when these forums already exist and quite successfully answer user questions every day? I don't get it.


We're like a West End stage show, or "Any Questions" on BBC. Long running and attract attention. We're witty and clever and iconoclastic.

People ar ebound to wanna shut us down because we are all of the above.
If they do, I trust one of the boffs will find a way to keep us running.
Besides, sl wouldnt be the same with us.
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01-10-2010 07:42
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We're like a West End stage show, or "Any Questions" on BBC. Long running and attract attention. We're witty and clever and iconoclastic.

People ar ebound to wanna shut us down because we are all of the above.
If they do, I trust one of the boffs will find a way to keep us running.
Besides, sl wouldnt be the same with us.


It would be.....More Predictable.(tm)
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01-10-2010 15:55
From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
I think those are actually only the community blog postings. Take a look here: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/answers/general_questions?view=overview

It is being used and quite frequently but I have issues with its functionality and how things are organized. Searching for previously answered questions is quite difficult and even though they would archive this place should it be closed down, I would greatly miss the ongoing collective knowledge found in the content creation sections here.


Thanks. I looked but didn't see that section or a link to it.
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