Spanish TV Network reveals 'SL state of censorship' (NewsFromTomorrow)

I knew someone would say this sooner or later in this thread..... put it this way, if you wouldnt want your neighbor knowing what your doing in SL then maybe you should think about if you should be doing that at all. I can garantee you, if my neighbor was engaging in child sex, I personally would run them out of town, .. in real life child sex is banned but I dont see my other freedoms vanishing because "I allowed" them to take away that "right"? NO ITS NOT A RIGHT! as a matter of fact, I think LL has already said if they catch you having child sex, then your real life information will be handed to the authorities in your local area BRAVO LL!!! tis not taking away your rights to enjoy yourself, but its taking away the leniancy of engaging in perverted socially unacceptable actions.

In the opinion of the Pope my lifestyle is one of a sinner (I am homosexual). In his opinion I engage in perverted socially unaccepted actions... Should homosexuals being banned from SL?

Before you start to flame: I am completely against anything involving RL children. That is not the issue... I am argumenting your way of thinking. To put it more direct: Who determines what is social acceptable? The Pope? The Dutch Queen? The president of the US? The butcher here on the corner?

Morwen.

Has anyone actually thought that closing the doors on consenting adults acting out their fantasy might actually put more REAL children in danger?

I'm not bashing LL here .. well, not directly. I'm just thinking back to the well publicised motto "Your World, Your Imagination" that seems to be getting very corrupted these days.

Yes, corrupted. I share a lot of opinions here, probably most of them really. You see, wanting REAL LIFE paedophiles who hurt children put in prison, and defending ones right to enact their fantasy with consenting partners aren't actually contradicting ... are they?

Your World, Your Imagination ... why should it be any less their world and why more yours?
Too much superiority .. one of the biggest pulls for me in SL was the levelling of the playing field. Must we put a hierarchy into it?

Absolutes suck. History has shown that unfettered expression leads to trouble and no expression leads to unrest. A balance needs to be struck somewhere in between and ever so often that balance will need to be tweaked.

Bare with me for a moment. My grandmother liked to rearrange the furniture, when my mother would come home late at night, she would trip over the furniture. Technology moves society's furniture around. Societies are finding them selves tripping over it and cursing it at times.

The problems SL has been having, have more to do societies clashing then anything else. This is something that will probably take at least 10 years to stabilize.

You are living in the old Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times." (it just so happens it's not really Chinese in origin).

This could also be argued the other way around. Give them a space to act out these desires, a comfort zone if you will, and they could well get so comfortable in their practice that they reach a breaking point, and decide maybe it's time to try the real thing. (again, for some) Much is written on the subject, with the common theme that often, sexual crimes are premeditated in fantasy. A transition occurs and it one day becomes reality.


I guess I'm having difficulty seeing how the "Your world, your imagination" idea is becoming generally corrupted. We've seen a few isolated cases where Linden Lab has felt it necessary to step in and say "sorry folks, you'll need to use advertising channels other than that which we provide, if you want to advertise your casinos or your sexual adult/child activities". As Strife said, the furniture will be rearranged periodically as our community and our world evolves. Policies will necessarily evolve along with it.

I wonder - who exactly is "corrupting" the motto? Linden Lab? What could possibly be more corrupt than using Second Life to exchange child pornography? We could argue endlessly about the technical legality of the adult/child sexual role playing of consenting adults issue, but technical legalities aside, the very idea is morally corrupt.

This is one of the sanest comments I've seen on this subject, not to mention actually contributing a new thought to what is otherwise a pile of recycled rubbish.

You remark concerning Gor is not correct (I just noticed this remark actually). There are people who have (more or less... and so far as possible) an Gorean lifestyle in RL. I know a couple who live this way and a quick search on the net on "Gorean" may show this as well.

Morwen.

I suppose that with all the vitriol, fear, poor reasoning, and speculation, it's understandable that some readers may have missed the irony in the base note. But that's all it is, a mild satire that's merely making the point that Linden seems overly reactive to news media reports.

I don't agree, at least not in this instance, but I appreciate the idea behind the note.

Point taken. These folks in real life I presume are consenting adults. The real life analog to the child avatar are not. And I do understand that these groups are often persecuted in world, and wrongly so. I just don't believe for a millisecond that the discomfort that some folks have with them will ever become so loud as to force Linden Lab to step in and create a policy which effectively eliminates or restricts their freedom to play these roles. We're talking specifically about prohibiting depiction of minors in sexual situations. I just don't think this is an unreasonable stance, and the fear that here begins the slippery slope is wholly unsubstantiated.

No, although they are confronted with a lot of misunderstanding and lack of understanding (in RL and SL), I agree with you that I don't think the emotions will go so high that a call for banning them will be heard. At least I may hope this not, because if that will happen many others will follow.

My point was only to show that Gorean in not only limited to virtual worlds, but also have its way in RL.

Morwen.

sorry had to stop & LMAO on this one!

shakes her head:
the NIMBY's are attackin.



there is a VAST difference between Ageplay and child pornography.

if an adult wishes to run around as a child in a non sexual family type setting, its thier right to do so. somehow many have confused ageplay with sex, when the two are nothing alike. so im gonna go wiki them so those who feel that "moral compasses" need adjusting can tell the difference. the following is a typical form of ageplay in SL.

*The term ageplay can be used as a standard roleplay term, but generally ageplay is a form of emotional regression. Some enjoy ageplay because they feel a need to express a childlike side, others may feel they are of a psychological age younger than their physical age, and some have dissociative child personalities (see dissociative identity disorder). Many people consider their "inner child," or also known as I.K. (inner kid) or I.C. (inner child), a very real part of them. When in a sub role (submissive) with a D or Dom partner (Dominant), the person in the childlike headspace may be referred to as an IK or IC, or as a sub IK or sub IC. Some make all sub roles lowercase when written.
Ageplay may be as simple as time spent alone pursuing "childlike" activities such as playing games or watching cartoons, or as complex as an entire lifestyle built around living as a child, with a guardian, to the fullest extent possible. When in role, a regressive ageplayer will often feel and react like a real child. For some it may feel upsetting or even emotionally damaging to be treated as an adult when in their child role or headspace (a term sometimes used to indicate when someone is fully immersed in their child role).
A child personality may be referred to as a little to differentiate from the adult persona (big or bigperson or B or BP). The internet provides a rich source of community for ageplayers, who usually seek a guardian or other "littles" to play with, and there are many online ageplaying communities.


this is the one that many get confused with the above one and should be banned:

Sexual Ageplay is a type of sexual roleplay which, because of its dominance and submission aspects, is considered a form of BDSM. It may be referred to as edgeplay because of its level of social acceptability; such roleplay may involve (fictional) incest, and a common reaction is to associate child roleplaying in a sexual situation with pedophilia. Most sexual ageplayers resent any association with pedophilia, and claim that neither party is encouraged to believe there is a real child involved, and that it involves two consenting adults with one expressing the assumed emotional vulnerability of a child.

In sexual ageplaying, the dominant generally plays the role of some form of a guardian/authority figure (teacher, doctor, parent, etc). Ageplay can also be bratplay in which the "child" is disobedient and bratty, and puts up verbal or physical resistance. (In such play, a safeword is even more important.)*

unfortunatly, this descrition is always associated with child pornography, even when there is no child involved. im not condoning it, far from it, as you cna see the result of what "two consenting adults in thier own private homes" can end up. if this was truly an issue with LL they would have put a stop to it a long time ago, however they didn't. to continually go around and around on this is futile, as it will never get solved.

i participated in the former description with my SL daughters for a while but stopped as they kept gettin "hit on", i never understood the latter description. so lets find more creative ways of stopping actual child pornographers(whom i hope were banned once the pictures were shown) than attacking each other for living thier SL.

@maggie

I am not, in ANY way, confusing ageplay and sexual ageplay. I have said, in this very thread, that if someone wants to play a child or childlike avatar, more power to them. My contention has always been focused on playing them in a sexual context, and I have been exceedingly clear on that.

Editing to add:

I think now and then, people are hastily typing out a thought, and using the word "ageplay" by itself, when the meaning is actually sexual ageplay. If I have done this, my apologies - but I'm certain that if you take my statements as a whole, you'll have no problem understanding which one I'm referring to.

i am in no way attackin You, but i have seen and made the mistake of assuming that all diminuative avas were kids. and as to what one wishes to do with thier SL, its not anyones buisness, save that which effects a community as a whole. child pornography is one. what two consenting ADULTS, yes even those in what is now being broadly painted as "childlike" avas, is between them.

Due to editing of a prior post, this response is now unnecessary.

i have edited my statememnt cause i did re read, sorry, it posted kinda late.

and i am not flame baiting, i am stating mindset that seems prevelant in SL; you can do what You want as long as it dont harm my sense of well being.

if i came across as flame baiting, then all i can do is apologise. it was not my intent. it was my intent however to point out what the differences are between the two.

ok i finally got to see the video: age play is officially banned in SL. especially since its being used in that manner. and Zaphod i owe you an apology, i got ill as well.

Thank you for the history lesson oh wise and enlightened one. I'm sure we can all sleep more soundly at night, safe in the knowledge that you are amongst the privileged elite that has the power to "tweak" that balance.

Thank you for protecting us. *hugs*