Covenants and Groups

I have searched SL Forum but to no avail can I find what I am looking for regarding Land covenants, Setting up Groups and Donating Land.

With so much Land for sale and blotted everywhere and mostly surrounded by large obscure buildings etc I would like to see more residential estates with some code of conduct.

I read so many posts with people complaining about lag, Clubs, Casinos, Camping Bots etc and not forgetting the Sex scene.
In my opinion there seems to be a lack of community only places with many potential buyers dreading the thought that one day their neighbour may sell up and leave only to find the new owner puts a Club or something next to their plot.

My aim here is to be able to buy then/ or / and sell it only for Residential purposes and keep a reasonable code of conduct within the Estate.

Please note I say sell not rent:

So here's my questions:

If I acquire Land on the mainland and want to sell that Land with a covenant, say I don't want Clubs etc on that Land just residential, what is the best way to do it.

Do I have to create a group?
If so I understand I can only donate so much Land to that group to start with?

What Possibilities or risks are there of losing Land donated to the group?

I have read the Group Help page and understand that a Group cannot be a group with only 1 member but I have seen groups with only 1 member, how does this apply?

If a group has to be created does the new tennants or land owners have to be added to that Group?
If so, can I exclude them from receiving any L$ funds that the group receives?

To create or write a covenant is not an issue, however, it is the implementation of it once this is up and running.

Exactly what tools are built in to enable me to implement my covenant and protect my interests and others of course?

So for example if a resident built his house above the covenants hieght restrictions and didn't take it down, are there tools built in to evict him/her if the covenant was constantly ignored?

I'm sure there are more questions I would like to ask but I think I shall begin with this.

On Mainland, there's nothing you can do because you don't truely own the mainland, Linden Lab does. It's different than being a private sim or island. Once you sell mainland, you no longer have a say or control over what happens to it. Only way that will change is if Linden Lab puts a covenant on that land.

I bought land that was a nice and quiet area. A few days later, an escort service/women's clothing atore appeared next door. Imagine this... having 2 churches in front of your house and an escort service to the right of it. There is a naked woman on the side of building, so you can image how the church people feel.

Correct. The only way to enforce some kind of order on the mainland is by renting out instead of selling.

Which is what I'm trying to do through some minor empire-building out there in Bagat.

You might be interested in my project / experiment: Linji Haven (with more of my babbling and discussion about the project scattered throughout the last few weeks of the blog).

Don't worry, this is not an advertisement, because the sim has completely filled, after taking in its first members only 8 days ago.

This thread had a bunch of discussion about the pro's and con's of setting up communities like this in different ways: owning vs. renting, mainland vs. Private island.

I know there are other people interested in trying projects like this, and I know that when Linji Haven filled this morning, there were 4 people on the waitlist to rent, so I'm wonder whether this sort of project might become more popular in the future.

I'd suggest contributing comments to the thread listed above, to keep the discussion in one place.

thanks guys for your replies, Ged, haven't got time at the moment and I have briefly read your link, if you don't mind would like to IM you next time I'm online later today and have a brief chat, take a look at what you have achieved so far not just with the land but How far you have got with the community group.
Or is the group thing still in the air, as I say not fully read the other thread yet.

I've posted on the other thread but I wanted to ask this in here. I have a sim, and I am hoping to find a great group of people to rent to with it.. but I am puzzled by this question and have not as of yet found it asked anywhere....If you have a sim and you have 6 parcels on it.. for 6 different people, short of creating 6 different groups for each parcel, how do you allow for each person to have control over streaming music, etc for their land? And how the heck do you all come up with those nifty covenants that seem to cover anything and everything!

I know this must have been asked a dozen times already, forgive me for being the latest one to ask, but what are the forums for if not to ask? No zingers for that one please! lol

Larry, I am so looking forward to reading the answers that you get here. So much of what you are asking are questions I have had in the back of my mind but just did not have a good way of bringing them out. I'm waiting for you to read my mind some more and asked them. lol

Joie. with regards to your six parcels and streaming music (without being rude) that is not really the subject of this thread), However, I do hope that some of the answers we receive here will help you in accomplishing your goals. Alternatively, may I suggest that you ask this question on a separate posting therefore this won't confuse others or divert them from the questions raised.

With regards to the covenants, the writing and creating of them, these are really conditions or rules that you want to apply to a situation upon where certain conditions must be met.

As you are aware when you purchase Land in SL, the first lines you look for are;
Anyone can Purchase and resell to Others
Second, the Land can be divided or subdivided.

This in itself is a convenant, basic as it may be it is a condition or rule that applies to the Land you are purchasing. The same applies to covenants that you want to create based on conditions to be met when you sell or rent your land to Third Parties.

Which refers me to my original questions when posting this thread.

Ike, you are quite right and I fully understand that the way this is perceived is that on mainland LL owns it regardless. As Ricky pointed out the only way to avoid this scenario is by renting.

But sticking to the point, my questions were not directed at this subject, it was the explanation for my posting.

So here's my questions again;
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If I acquire Land on the mainland and want to sell that Land with a covenant, say I don't want Clubs etc on that Land just residential, what is the best way to do it.

Do I have to create a group?
If so I understand I can only donate so much Land to that group to start with?

What Possibilities or risks are there of losing Land donated to the group?

I have read the Group Help page and understand that a Group cannot be a group with only 1 member but I have seen groups with only 1 member, how does this apply?

If a group has to be created does the new tennants or land owners have to be added to that Group?
If so, can I exclude them from receiving any L$ funds that the group receives?

To create or write a covenant is not an issue, however, it is the implementation of it once this is up and running.

Exactly what tools are built in to enable me to implement my covenant and protect my interests and others of course?

So for example if a resident built his house above the covenants hieght restrictions and didn't take it down, are there tools built in to evict him/her if the covenant was constantly ignored?

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As Ged had pointed out in his post there was already a thread and discussion going on regarding the pro's and con's of setting up a community/group. If your answer relates to this can we please keep them separate and post to the correct tthreads.

Please do not be offended by any of my comments but to often when people search for information, it is either not correctly titled or others get to involved and divert from the original posting. I would like to keep this simple so that others and newbies that may one day be our fellow groupies or buyers understand exactly what happens in SL with this situation.

Thats what forums are for!

I can't speak for LL, my opinion is that their help pages were written on a back of a beer mat on a Friday night after work had finished. Only to find that it is very difficult to scan a beer mat the following Monday...

Mea culpa. Not a problem Larry. I was just asking and too many times I have a wandering mind and I jump to something totally off topic. I know I can answer a few of your questions and if I had kept my mind on them and not wandered off... you wouldn't have had to gently rebuke me.

~~~I have read the Group Help page and understand that a Group cannot be a group with only 1 member but I have seen groups with only 1 member, how does this apply?~~~

If you are looking at these groups thru 'profile' on an avatar, there is a control wthin group that allows you to show your members. This is checked by the group owner.

~~~So for example if a resident built his house above the covenants hieght restrictions and didn't take it down, are there tools built in to evict him/her if the covenant was constantly ignored?~~~

The best tools to evict someone is the Ban within "About Land". You, as the sim owner or the one who is being billed by Linden Labs, will always have this control, even if it is a "group" owned sim.

Joie

I wasn't chastising you in anyway just trying to work the one topic, regards the about land and banning an AV, I understand that, but when I want to put half a sim up for sale and issue a covenant, the covenant can only be issued by a group not an individual selling the land to be able to enforce it, or am I wrong.

Larrie, you must have missed the first response to your thread.

First response:



You can't. There's no way to protect your interests.


There are none.


If it's on the mainland, and you sold the land, you have nothing. That's why the other thread, which you really might want to read carefully, has some people suggesting the use of Islands, as a way to protect your interests. Otherwise, if you want to maintain control on the Mainland, you are stuck with renting the land out.