Reselling Freebies--What can we do?

I just came across a pretty good sized place (3 big floors full) reselling freebies for prices WAY above free. They have made the store a full perms spot, making new residents assume it is OK to buy these and resell them. I notice hair textures, clothing, shoes, poseballs (which I know are not allowed to be resold at all) and tons more...some may actually be full perm stuff for doing this, but I know all of it is not.
I've been in SL along time but haven't ever gotten into the whole freebie selling debate...I was just wondering if this is against the TOS? What can be done to stop this person? When I come here, I am gettin so spammed by textures and LMs from the owner of the store I can barely even move ;/ To top it off, I see at least 2 people shopping right now, and I'm quite certain they are buying into this nonsense.

Technically the creator would have to sue. But who would do that other then someone with lot of money to waste?
Usually if I find out someone doing that I make note and never buy from them again.
In fact that partially why I quit shopping too many scam artist selling other people's stuff, freebies, not sure if they actual stole the item or not, mixed with land and tier has drain me pretty much of every other extra dime I own. I just rather make things myself or only from friends.
We don't have to buy from anyone, if you really want a item you can make it yourself or find a generous friend to create something for you.

im confused about your statement 'pose balls are not alloud to be resold at all'



what?

Poses and poseballs from certain places like Nyterave are not allowed to be resold as a pose or poseball. They must be used in a creative work (like furniture) to be resold.

You can click on the items to see who the creator is, and notify the creator that their items are being resold at this place. If the creators have a problem with their items being resold in this fashion, they can file a DMCA report with Linden Labs or take other action against the scammer.

There should be a box the creator can check or un-check that prohibits the owner of the object (that isn't the creator) from being able to sell the object. They could still GIVE it away through the regular transfer rights, just not sell it.

I smell a JIRA coming on!!

The problem is "resell" and "give away" are lumped together. Separating these would probably fix this.

--X. Plor R. Moore

if I give something away, I don't care what happens to it.

some people don't know what is in their Library in their Inventory - that is the real problem.

Agreed. I have a full rights vendor, however the creator has a note saying it's not for resale and I will absolutely agree to those terms but technically I could sell it. The person who created the vendor did it to help residents, in the spirit of his creation I fully support him and I'd like to see an option for transfer but not resale.

you fix it by making freebies 'no transfer' if people want the freebie they can go to the owner's place and get it...

I thought that was what freebies were about anyway, luring people into your stores?

The problem with transfer but not resell is that it only stops sales done by rezzing the object and changing the "For Sale" property. It doesn't stop putting it in a box or vendor, and the person could always say "I'll 'transfer' this object to you after you 'transfer' some lindens to me." It wouldn't fix anything.

Nope, some freebies are designed to help noobs, I've been to areas that are totally full of freebies, over the road there might be a store where you need to pay but I've been to totally freebie warehouses. Some people do just like to help others ...honest!

one of the use of freebies is viral marketing, but to be honest when I make freebies its usually something totally different then what I sell. I make a thing a house or a wierd scripty thingy and its kinda cool my friends ask for it and so I make it a freebie. Its not clothing or avatar accessories which is what I sell, but its a neat little do dad that someone can use for entertainment purposes.

I actually found two of my freebies the other day in a large place where they seem to be reselling freebies. At first I kinda was upset but then I thought well.. I have them visible as freebies all over the place and I trade freebies with a friend (she puts mine on her lot and I put hers on my lot etc) I "sell" about 50 or so copies of each 0L freebie a week so I figure okay well its not something to worry about. What I do intend on doing is writing a few "books" on stuff in second life in a hope that people will actualy get free freebies.

One day I want to have a little "freebie" shop like a dime store setup but the stuff is all free tacky and ambience etc to go with it. I am busy working on my "inventory". Its a fun thing to do and I will have the space to do it .

In the case of people paying for freebies I think that they will only get sucked in once and more likely then not give the guy that ripped him off a hard time.

Honestly though people reselling freebies like that I dont see lasting long in SL they get a reputation fast I would imagine and its not o a nice one..

Yeah I've visited and enjoyed freebie warehouses but ive always felt more inclined to direct people to where i found the freebies than just give them away..I've never tried selling them...

...It might make more money than camping

The other reason is that it's practically impossible to add *any* new permissions to SL at this time, because every item already existing in the database would have to have the new permission set to some default value to start with and inevitably these would be seriously wrong in some cases.

For example, suppose the Lindens decided to add a Resell permission seperate from Transfer. Now every item in the database needs to be updated with whether or not it has Resell permission. But how can the Lindens do that? If they set it based on the existing Transfer flag, then every freebie in the world now has an explicit indicator on it that it's ok to Resell - the exact opposite of what was intended. If they set it to false for all objects, then textures and other tools that were intended to be resold are broken.

Not sure how something could be transfer but not allowed to be resold. Example I make textures I give them to friend or someone buys a texture that has no resell permissions but full permissions transfer, modifiy, copy.
They decide to make a object or house with my texture they sell the object, the system thinks oh this person getting money removes texture because it can't be resold.
The person who bought and made the object would be bit upset I would imagine if this was implemented.

support 2... it's really a good option..

I really don't understand why this is an issue. In real life, if you give away t-shirts on the sidewalk you should very well expect someone to come along, take as many of those t-shirts as they can to only sell those t-shirts on eBay, etc. This is nothing new. Humans, by nature are greedy and do whatever is in their own best interest. If you don’t want someone to resell a freebee item, then simply "sell" those items for zero L$ with no resell/transfer rights. It is not that hard to figure out.

It may be lame, but there is nothing wrong with selling items which someone has given to you for free. I have been given stuff in RL which I eventually turned around and sold on EBay and I don’t feel guilty about it at all. Instead of trying to preach to everyone to "do the right thing and not resell freebee items" you should figure out that if you give away items for free with full perms, people will resell them and they are NOT at fault. This is basic human nature.

When will SLers take their heads out of their asses and finally understand that people in SL are no different than people in RL. They are greedy; they are here for their own best interests and will do whatever they need to do to make themselves better off. Basic economics 101...

I remember when I was new and a friend of mine talked about gathering up all the freebie crap we'd acquired since our original join-date and sell them, in boxes of a hundred or so, for 10-20L each. I've seen tons of places do this too.

Granted, I was too lazy to ever want to do that, but really, if you think about it, it's pretty ingenius. You gather up all this stuff, crap, really, and sell it to new players who have no idea. They don't know any better, and they come along and buy it, and eventually run into a place like Yadni's and go "Oh... WTF." But by then, what can they do?

It's been said already, but it's true. Once something is sold, if it's copy/trans/mod then how can anyone stop you from reselling it at any price you feel like? No one can. It goes from being the creators creation to being MY property, and I can do whatever I feel like with it.

Best solution; do your best to steer newbies away from it. Get the word out to mentors, welcome area regulars, and anyone else that has an abnormally high amount of contact with newbies. Tell them to never send the newbies that way.

I wonder whether one of my own creations that has been on a 'free offer' can later be put on sale by me for L$.

Possibly. Think about garage sales. Most of the time those are items that are trans/no copy, but if you do sell things trans/copy and they are good, people are probably seriously likely to put them up for sale.

This subject has been beat to death. Its up to the creator. Another words if your going to mark your item mod, copy, and trans then you might want to expect that somebody is going to sell it. Its all about the rights they apply.

Even somethings without can be copied and resold if person knows how.
I was asking a friend about others reselling freebies technically anyone can resell anything but if the person can prove its their creation they can sue them.

I think LL should separate SELL from TRANSFER...placing in FALSE. From that moment, if some creator wants to make it transfer, or for sell, he/she will have to change it manually. But, the creations he/she already sold, will be safe.

I dunno if I like that idea though. Lots of people buy things, use them, eventually get tired of them, and then want to sell them, usually clothes, in a garage sale. A novel idea on how to recoup some money.