Age and Identity Verification Price?

Why does it not shock me that SL is going to try and make a buck off this. So ok, how much? Is it a one time fee or monthly or what? I know it says the price if you look deep enough but it fails to say if this is a on going charge or one time fee.

Since the verification itself is a one-time deal, I'm guessing the charge is also a one-time deal.

I suspect it will cost LL much more than those 10 lindens to process age verification.

Please try to think and do the math before accusing LL of wanting to make a buck out of this. Sure, they're not a charity organisation, but chances are they will initially actually lose money on this.

Make a buck off it? How much money do you think they've put into this already? Do you think the laywers and coders at LL work for free?

You verify once and they are using an outside company so i suspect its the fees for the outside company. Its not a huge deal they are asking for what 10L from a premium maybe a bit more from a free member?

*panic*

Any L$ that go to LL have historically always been a sink (I think ), so they would only really indirectly be making money through increased Supply Linden sales.

I agree, I dont think LL is goign to make ANY money off this.

They will actually lose money in the short run - Becuase there will be a huge economic adjustment related to Unverifed people unable to go into Adult Content areas.

It really bothers me that in this time of rampant identity theft that LL is asking for a Social Security Number as one of the identifier items (as well as licenses, passports, etc. that can be used for identity theft). Even with their verbal assurances LL cannot maintain that such information is safe as LL has been hacked in the past, allowing personal information to be leaked as have governmental agencies, banks and merchants.

According to the Colorado State Attorney General's website (http://www.ago.state.co.us/idtheft/ssn.cfm) the only organizations that may request a Social Security Number include: employers, governmental organizations, banks / financial institutions or licensing agencies. I do not believe that LL fits any of these exceptions.

For those concerned about what information they should release on the internet may want to go to their respective state attorney general's site. I am not sure where people outside the the U.S. may check for laws regarding release of personal information, but I would recommend they do so before handing over their information to LL.

So LL's gonna charge people a nominal fee for age verification? We all *know* that teh int4rw3bz is f0r pr0n, and that's what people will need age verification for. So how can anyone be surprised that LL doesn't try their hand at milking an incredibly profitable cash cow thriving in their back yard? I'm surprised something like this didn't happen sooner.

Where does it say that they want your SSN? The most I see is that they ask for the last 4 digits..

Of course, how did I miss that. with the current market value of the linden dollar, LL must make a fortune by collecting a one time fee of about 10 lindens from each resident! Just think about the massive amounts of cash that will be left over after they deduct the costs of age verification from that tidy sum!

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No way three cents can cover the actual cost. Which either means LL is going to run the exercise at a loss (doubtful) or the company doing the checking is happy to do it for nothing just to have access to our data.

Now since that company is Aristotle International whose business is compiling and selling lists of personal data for political campaigns and marketing....

rofl, you will pay in L$ in which they create, therefore they are making no money from it, although, I think they should, maybe if there weren't so many free accounts they could afford to hire more staff for bug fixing and CS

They are not asking for your social security #, only the last 4 digits, why are people getting all worked up about this? I don't get it =/ and its not mandatory, people can still play SL in PG areas...

All your SSN are belong to us!

You forget a possibility:

If LL is smart, they know they will be shut down one day that may come very soon if they don't start using age verification. That would mean a far greater loss than just doling out the money needed for age verification. Taking a loss to prevent a far greater loss is a sensible move in terms of risk management.

By the way, the lawsuits resulting from unauthorized sale of personal data would also cost more money than just paying for age verification. I can't look inside the Linden Brain, but allowing that company to use our data for unrelated purposes in exchange for free age verification in such an easy to trace way would be a poor business decision.

You are assuming there isn't any smallprint in the age verification procedure to prevent them from doing so. In any case, I am not at all sure that US data privacy laws would explicitly prevent sale of the data you give them. It is common knowledge that US privacy laws are far laxer than the equivalent EU laws.

Last I heard, LL has a london office. If they are operating in EU countries, the Data Commisioner for the EU will have something to say about it.

No, of course they won't make money on the age verification fee, but by creating a safe environment for the pr0n businesses to operate in LL will be making a tidy profit. All those businesses need land, sims, etc., as well as their clients snapping up all the L$ they gan get their grubby li'l paws on... heh, it'll be another gold rush.

I dunno I see it as the opposite

will be less customers than there are now.

And less Escorts, Strippers, Etc.

Becuase they wont Verify.

Fortunately for LL, they aren't asking for this data. They are simply suggesting you go to a company which works exclusively in the USA and give them teh data, who will then make bits of it available to LL. LL itself isn't breaking any EU rules on data privacy, but the outsourced company would be, were they actually in the EU at all.

Why do you say they work exclusively in the USA?

Uhm, no, I am assuming SL residents are in their right mind and would not sign an agreement when the smallprint tells them their personal data will be used for other purposes than for which it is given



Common knowledge has been known to be wrong before. Please don't tell me you believe all the EU crap you are being fed about being so much more concerned with citizens rights than the US. In the US people would be utterly shocked at how easy it is back here in many EU countries to legally obtain and use private information.

Possibly Collette, but our <cough> noble <cough> escorts and strippers have been onto a *good thing* for quite some time. It'll be in their interests to be age-verified... something that will also set their clients minds at rest. Nobody wants to wake up the next day after their mondo-pervo cyb0rsecks orgy to find a posse of police at the door asking questions about their time spent with an underage cyberhooker. No, they want a safe adult environment. Same goes for the 'workers'.

Sure, the system LL is considering putting in place may be a bit clunky and far from perfect as well as having legal enforcement problems in some countries but as Isablan pointed out only too clearly in another thread dealing with this issue something had to be done before the moral campaigners and/or tabloid press set up a sting operation that could only too easily result in LL and SL being closed indefinitely.

Well yeah - but escorts are just people too and they wont like age verification any more than anyone else.

Most dont make much money anyhow - too much competition.

The drop in customers is even worse though - the ones who dont want to age verify becuase their av is made using a fake name and supplied Lindens from their normal account so no one knows what they are up to.