Help end the camping

Camping chairs are ruining this world. Is there anyone out there creative enough to end the disaster? Traffic gets you on top of the list and renters put there stores in those places expecting results but everyone in the sim is asleep in a chair and you never sell anything. All you big designers out there Please check the malls you rent from. tell the owners you wont rent from places with camp chairs. Dont just rent malls cause the traffic is high!!! Be sure the mall owners will actually work for your money and not just stick down a bunch of chairs and make fools of you. Events bring people who will actually buy your products Campers are broke or asleep or they wouldnt bother camping. Please think before you rent. The store owners in SL are the true power in this world the designers fuel the economy unite and make this place better. DONT RENT from malls with camp chairs. Someone has to do something to end this and it is going to be up to the renters of SL to turn this trend around!!!

I really doubt this. even tho many wish it to happen!

I hate campers too....

Ha! Good luck... Your chances of them doing anything about the campers is about as good as not visiting an island and not finding a sex shop.

Camping chairs aren't ruining SL for me. I just avoid sims where camping is going on. Once a club was set up in a sim where I had some nice waterfront property; I grumbled to myself, but as it turns out even with their camping chairs I was able to keep doing the things I'd been doing. Less than a month later, the club was torn down and the land was parceled up and sold off.

Still, one "creative" way to deal with the problem is to go live on a private sim where camping chairs are not allowed.

You also may have noticed there have been a few actions on the police blotter recently in regard to excessive camping. Every now and then the Lindens DO step in.

I have a few camping chairs on my land. Well.. they look like camping chairs...LOL... I don't like camping chairs either but these chairs are so funny... My friends and I sit back and watch people try to sit in them... they get ejected into the sky.. and are told to get a job and quit wasting my bandwidth...

We get such a laugh out of it that a friend pissed his pants the first time he seen it.
I have had several abuse reports filed against me for this but ooo well.... the real abuse is the campers leeching money off of paying accounts. It is so fun.

So yes... Campers can be fun.. it just depends on how you look at it...LMAO

In my early days I made my first L$ on dancepads and camping chairs. In the sim where I live there is a horrible casino that is usually empty except when the camp chairs are on, when it has mainly campers dozing in there.

I am not against camping as long as it's reasonable - perhaps 2 or 3 chairs or pads. but when a place has a dozen or more zombies slowing down the sim, it's annoying.

If we have to have camping, how about dining tables with food and 'eat' animations so campers can do something rather than just sit!

If I owned a large site with spare land, instead of camp chairs I'd have a rent-free selling area where people could sell a few boxed items each. Non-premium people would have at least a chance of making a bit more cash than from camping, it would not cost me anything except prim usage and it would increase traffic to my site just like camping does.

I think the key point here is, why do store owners put their stores in these places full of campers if they aren't getting sales? Do they like losing money week after week? Do they sell just enough items a week to the randon non-camper that wanders through to cover the rent? Or do they just pack up and move on to the next camper-filled mall, and repeat the cycle?

I hear a lot about how hard it is to make any money selling things in SL. Are the people having this problem sticking their stores in malls full of campers and expecting great results?

If traffic numbers are eliminated - there will be no camping chairs.

People put traffic chairs up to get traffic numbers. Even the ones that dont like campers, becuase they want to compete.

Camping pads suck... but also remember that a sim owner having them on their land is fine... if they control the whole sim anyway. The only people they will piss off is themselves because legit visitors can't get in when their camping chairs are full. ha.

You guys do know that camping is listed as a job in the making money chapter in the "Second Life's Official Guide"?

They are openly promoting camping.

Yes.

Camping helps Linden Labs

Just hurts the residents who dont camp.

Im sure if its in their brand new book as a legitimate means of a job here in SL, then i doubt it will be going away anytime fast they dont want to be rewriting chapters this soon

It will help but I think many shops will still have them because they'll want potential buyers to see a cluster of green dots when they Show On Map..

I don't like camping chairs. One or two I don't mind so much but some places, casinos in particular, have just gone stupid with them.

When I shop, I avoid places that advertise that they have camping devices.

Think clusters of green dots only attract the wanderers.

Wanderers are rarely serious shoppers.

Could be but, in RL, a shop that sees a lot of traffic tends to attact more people regardless of if the traffic is because it's a good shop. There are a lot of residents that don't quite get that SL doesn't work the same way, I think..

Still, it would be a good step in the right direction to either remove traffic or somehow rework it so that it's not worth it for shop/casino owners to game it.

I do know of at least one, surely there are more, new shopping district (Rialto) who has made it a point of not having campers. Unfortunately for them, it makes it difficult to attract tenants because not enough designers are resisting the camping traffic numbers in favor of taking a leap of faith with an unproven area with currently low traffic.

It's a catch 22, no traffic, no tenants - no tenants, no traffic. More designers are going to have to take a chance and reinforce the decision for areas who refuse to use camping as a traffic builder.

Huh?

My thought is that camping isn't bad, in and of itself, it's when it's overdone that it gets bad.

I've seen a few places where they have Modelling Stands that are pretty much camping chairs, but the person standing there is wearing (or should be wearing) one or more of the products.

Another has various "Jobs" around the sim/shopping area, like washing windows and sweeping floors that pay the person for ostensibly just sitting there.

These make sense to me, as they add interest to the area and offer a little bit of money to cash-strapped newbies that luck into finding them.

However, having said all that, as with everything, moderation is called for.

20 modelling stands or window washing stations would be a drawback, in my opinion, just as the camping chairs in casinos are.

Just a thought that popped into my head...

You know what might be kind of cool, if you MUST use camping chairs?
Recreating famous paintings. Freebie costumes that people can wear, poseballs to place them into position... That'd be kinda groovy, and would serve two purposes. It would attract lookers, interested in seeing these, as well as people looking to make a little money for using the "chairs".

I'm picturing Renoir's "Luncheon of the Boating Party" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luncheon_of_the_Boating_Party) reenacted in SL... and liking the idea...

Sorry... I not only derailed the thread, I derailed my own train of thought...

Camping isn't that bad when it is used in moderation. I see nothing wrong with 5 or 6 chairs in someone's store to help bring attention to their business.

*coughs*

did anyone else see the latest camping complaint in the blotter? It deals with camping and the B word.

*quickly goes back on topic*

Traffic numbers are the real issue behind camping and should be reworked somehow. Dont ask me how, I only post here.

The only problem is abuse of camping. Camping in and of itself is not inherently bad.

Sounds like someone is itching for another bot thread

Noooooooo! Just thought it was relevant on a couple fronts.

If the traffic numbers were based on something like picks in people's profiles, oh, what a change there would be, and for the better. Shouldn't be a difficult algorithm to write, I should think.