Electric Sheep Company wooot

Just read that you can make $10, 000 REAL LIFE DOLLARS if you work for them. Anyone know anything about them or what they build. Will take all the classes I have to!!

what are they hiring for? Couldnt find anything on that...

Was surprised at what they charge rl interests to *start*, $10k USD. Was wondering myself, though was a bit shy to ask *how* the $10k and more is divided up. There seems to have been only 2 builders for the sim I saw. If it is simply paid to whoever does it, wow, what a payday! Great builds too!

Metaverse Session 8, available here: http://www.secondcast.com/, featured Electric Sheep. Worth listening to if you want to know more.

While this is pure speculation, from the outside appearance and a slight bit of invesigating... it seems it's more about WHO you know rather than WHAT you know, or WHERE to apply.

Like I said, this is a purely subjective remark.

Sorry, dunno half of this stuff yet! But gave a message to the founder of the Sheep Company to see if he wants builders. Off to do a texture class! Wish me luck!

Metaverse Sessions are podcasts.

read some other posts about the company and they sound bogus sorry

They're far from bogus, having done jobs for Major League Baseball, the BBC, and others, and they also developed MTV's Virtual Laguna Beach.

I mean i can't build more than a few basic things yet, but even after i can do an entire continent here, i won't charge $10,000 or more. I visited museums and a lot of sims today and saw some really cool builds. Artists told me how much they charge. Not nearly like the sheep co. And talked to a lot of guys who think that their prices are way off, too. They didn't even know that they charged that much either. So yeah, they may have done stuff for those guys, but were still bogus in charging them that much.

I'll never understand why so many folks are so willing to completely underpay themselves. Besides - I've seen what Electric Sheep can do, and it's far from just primslinging (which, I might add, they do exceptionally well). They have the whole package from things in SL to complete backend systems outside of SL, web sites, programming... I think they are amazing for charging as little as they do.

Well, it's not really. Just because a company has a bit of money, does not mean you should overcharge them. And I guess that many people don't, cause you just said it yourself--you don't know why so many people 'underpay' themselves. Well, they probably don't think they're doing that. They're probably just trying to be fair and honest about what they think their work is worth here. It seems to be more fun than work. Not saying the Sheep co. doesn't build nice things. And I've seen some really nice sims here today. But I agree with the many who underpay themselves, as you said. None of these areas or sims are worth $10k USD.

10K is a pittance for what these folks do, see. Feel free to sell yourself short, but please, let's not complain when others don't, k?

At an hourly rate of US60-US100 and a 40 hour workweek, 10k will give you about 3/4 weeks of work (1 person). Those are normal business fees. Businesses don't look strangely at those amounts.
The fact that people in SL will do the same amount of work for minimum wages or less is something that is more out of the ordinary. The fact that SL work for a lot of people is born out of hobby, doesn't mean it should be considered as such when dealing with RL projects and RL businesses. Companies like Electric Sheep e.a. understand this too

and that's not only my opinion too bad the companies didn't see through their hype

Too bad you can't see through your own prejudice.

If you stayed a bit longer and learned how building works, you may (or may not, ever) see the difference between what's reasonably good and professionally good. Both in builds and attitude. Oh, and you obviously are mixing up hobby and work.

Yes, the Sheep Co. charges quite a bit... $10,000, rl money, especially if that's only their starting rate! If they take so long to do the sim that even half that amount leads to a sorry hourly rate, perhaps they aren't the right builders? I've been known to take my time too. But to charge the customer because you're slow? Well, I've known plumbers and cab drivers who've done that, yes

The Sheep Co. *understands* that companies will pay a great deal for services IF they do *not* know of less expensive and possibly BETTER alterntative sources. (hi damian )I agree. So, it's up to OTHER business groups to get their own message out to these RL enterprises, and let excellence win. The Sheep Company's work is professional, passable, and sometimes excellent. There are some builders out there who are ALWAYS EXCELLENT. And cost way less then the Sheepsters, while still commanding an extremely nice RL salary/wage.

I can tell you right now...I have been a *bit longer* in sl than Chie, but would rather say, that is it your aesthetic sense, not SL tenure that makes you a good just of art/design/builds. The newbie who was questioning the value of the Sheepwork may have an aestetic sense that's off the charts. How would anyone know otherwise. Trust me, looking at purple dance clubs in SL does not finely hone your sense of proportion, hue, etc. And, from what I read, the person was not referring to hobbyist pay when she suggested a lower rate Besides, lower rates and being a hobbyist here do not a good pair make. You build something. YOU get paid. And comparably to those in your skill level. That's IT.

I can tell you that companies DO care about the expenses they incurr upon advertising and using new 'platforms'. They *trust* representatives of companies with whom they form a partnership for referrals when they request services. That does not mean that the referrals are done in a fair or honest way. Simply that they will most likely satisfy the needs of the client. After reading this thread very carefully, I've decided companies would be wise to seek out MORE THAN ONE design, e-commerce group in SL to compare rates and expertise.

The Sheep Co. does passable work and gets impressive money and clients by a wonderful route called advertising and networking...and hard work. Their ads are polished, so much so, that they are a bit vague, I agree. For all anyone knows they could be setting up a 3-D online advertising or conferencing space for a company in a virtual world. NOT that you'd guess that from the ad But it shines and LOOKS good. They hold tech-focused events that are a bit thin, but do draw attention to them, to their presence. That's great for business. Their networking is done ostensibly through HAVING this group. So MAKE YOUR OWN group...and follow suit, if you admire their success.

SHOULD they charge $10k real money as a base rate? That's between the cusomers and the artist to decide. And NO one else.

I am now officially bored and am going to bed. G'nite

I am from the UK and sure this is not a whole lot of money for an EU or US based user, but to calim others are selling themselves short is to perhaps miss the internationalism of SL.

There are users in world where the average national salary is 100US$ a week, so 10kUS$ is a significant sum of money.

It may well be that we can continue to charge US/EU based rates and bring those from poorer RL countries to a higher payrate, but on the other hand we may find that our rates have to drop to the new internationalism of the grid.

To proclaim 60 -100 US$ an hour a being the norm, well it is the norm in some countries, but relatively few.

I absolutley agree that fair rates, be they what one player sees as very high and another sees as very low are absolutely no one elses busines other than the two parties involved in teh exchange.

But to lambast people for not charging high rates is somewhat crass given the nature of this platform where one persons hourly rate is another persons weekly wage. If my cost of living was based on a 100US$ a week economy, I wouldn't need to charge US$ economy rates to be doing very nicely in RL and I would be uncomfortable charging those higher rates. Conversely, I am from a UK economy and I would have no compunction at such a fee.

However, I wouldn't just brush aside another negotiation at far lower rates as being underpaid and of poor standard because of my own RL domestic location.

Nothing to do with it. It's mutual backscratching and corporate networking amongst 'preferred bidders' and the rest of us are S.O.L.

RL corporation phones up Linden Lab, "we want to establish our brand/product in Second Life, are you able to build us a presence?. "We can't do that," says Random Linden, "but let me give you the number of (Electric Sheep or Rivers Run Red) and they will be able to set you up a whole package." "Great, thanks," says corporation, and hangs up.

Linden Lab get money from the companies buying the land and setting up special 'corporate access packages and privileges' , ESC/RRR get the money because they are the only people that get referrals from Linden Lab to build the places.

It's all well and nice for Nigel Linden to announce a competition for residents to build SLRR stations, but when was the last time you heard a call for people to build something for 'a major soft drinks company' or 'a major clothing company'?

*hears crickets*

Lewis

Conspricary theorists are a marvel to behold.

I am sure the new PR company LL have appointed will be lambasted as well.

LL are a corporate entity who are aiming to turn a profit. If they have a solutions provider who has taken the time to work with LL and get to know them, this is normal business practice.

Why would LL take on a commission to build for a Corporate, that is not their business and if they moved into that, I am sure the scream of 'Its a conspiracy' would be bellowed from the roof tops as well.

There is nothing to stop any individual or business to develop a business relationship with LL, which results in their product offering being referred, instead of one of the established names.

There is nothing to stop anyone from developing relationships with RL businesses to create new business opportunities which never pass the LL enquiry line.

Why anyone who doesn't want to run a commercial enterprise in SL worries so much about those who do, is something of a dichotomy.

At some point in time those who are convinced they are being done down all the time, will expend their energy towards the constructive and may even get a slice of the 'conspiracy' and guess what, they will find it is done by simple business marketing techniques, not some amazing 'we don't like anyone but you' approach.

I know two bodies within the Electric Sheep Company, and they are by Far the best Scripters/Builders and Textures I know, for the hours and effort put into the stuff they make $10,000 really is nothing compared to the level of skill and the level of quality they produce.

Know what's fun to do? I mean, if you have time, have a break from a rl job, etc. LOOK at the guys who are pro and con ppl like the ESC..to figure out who and who are not Linden alts/succubi/friends of the friendless etc

Sorry, I am just having WAY Too much fun with this heheh


Yeah, I *know* 2 bodies too.......

O_o Maturity pass this person by?

Small metaverse..was thinking the same thing about the author of your naive wandering...

And ad hominems are only cool if witty! Try it. Your articulation can not be that depressed