so there we go .....
you the creator ... doesnt own the item you created, you own the copywrite.
Linden Law is absolute unless is american law then it applies the world over
I am unable to retain the Linden money I earn through investment in the game as it doesnt exist.
If and when I make it exist I get American Tax even though Im European
All in all ..SL is a good GAME ....... play it as suchas long as you dont invest TOO much RL cash. I spend many an evening flying about ... doing fun stuff, building etc.
But remember folks ... SL was ahead of its time ... it IS being abused by bots and multiple camping swetshops *lol* but people will vote with there feet when other systems come online that are better , worse or the same as SL.
I am sure the Lindens ARE trying to resolve these issues at the same time of bring in new features, but its all about the numbers ...
remember .... smile somebody IS watching you
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Marty Starbrook
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05-01-2007 10:19
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Hanna Ree
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Join date: 3 Feb 2006
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05-01-2007 10:24
True, but if you buy a toaster that stops working within the warranty you do have the right to return it... Yep, but LL did not sell you that toaster, some other user in SL did. We all agreed to the TOS, but what warenty did the seller in SL give you on that virtual toaster? |
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Stormy Weeks
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Join date: 17 May 2006
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05-01-2007 10:26
Islands are a bit different than other inventory you might have and really is not the same as other things you might buy in SL. I'm not sure you can even try to relate islands and other items. Islands have record of what you have and were in the grid it sits. Who owns it can be verified and recovered even if it is one or many. I highly doubt 50 would ever get lost in one shot but it might, even then all 50 would still have record of who owned it and where in the grid it was located. LL only sells the rights to control virtual land, really that’s all they do. Notice it's "control", the TOS then sets out that LL owns that land is only really setting the rights you have to use and control such land. Past that we as users here are responsible for everything else. We are the one with record of what we buy and who we bought it from. The ones that sell there things to you, hold the rights to sell it and the liability of the inherent risk of loss by data error. Now the sellers are going to say its LL’s fault for bad code. Bad code or not, still comes down to the seller and buyer do not pay LL as part of the transaction so by that point alone LL is in the clear. To say its BS, is a joke! If you go to a RL store and purchase something and it gets stolen, lost, or damaged, you don't go after city hall to file your claim. Now might be an interesting way for LL to make some real cash and offer sellers to archive product sales records and the object, then to the buyer could recover lost items where the DB record is now missing. The seller could pass the cost on to the buyer in what ever form they choose. That way free and paid accounts would have the same protection option. But I know what people would say, “why would I have to pay for it?”, SIMPLE, your expecting some one to provide a service that costs real $ to offer. However, if you went to a store and purchased an item, but were only allowed to use the item while inside in the store, and not take it home, the store might be held responsible if something were to happen to your item. Especially if they always advertised it as if you "own" it, not them. As in the case of virtual land. I dont think LL could just poof islands and take no responsibility. Even if they were to be found legally not responsible in such a case, do you think they'd ever be able to sell virtual land again after something like that hit the media? Somehow I doubt it. Sellers do have the ability to archive their sales records. they would just have to do it on their own computer through the transaction history. |
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Vale Vieria
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Join date: 8 Feb 2007
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05-01-2007 10:27
Yep, but LL did not sell you that toaster, some other user in SL did. If the delivery guy tries to post your toaster through your window who pays to get it fixed? Vale _____________________
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Hanna Ree
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05-01-2007 10:31
However, if you went to a store and purchased an item, but were only allowed to use the item while inside in the store, and not take it home, the store might be held responsible if something were to happen to your item. Especially if they always advertised it as if you "own" it, not them. Ah, but LL does not run the store or offer any goods, again thats is between users and does not bring LL as party to the transaction. |
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Brenda Connolly
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05-01-2007 10:32
It would be hard to ascertain what items we paid for and what are freebies. Also. I agree that "Non Paying" members also put money into the game, so it would not be fair to exclude them from any reparations. I would rather any resorces be put into A: Preventing inventory loss, and B: Coming up with an effective backup method.
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Oryx Tempel
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05-01-2007 10:34
Dunno, but I'm getting weary of searching my transaction histories for payments that people make for my items that either don't get delivered or that disappear on rez, so that I can refund them and/or replace their items. Once a week or so is okay, I guess, but once a day? Come on, Lindens!
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Stormy Weeks
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05-01-2007 10:35
Ah, but LL does not run the store or offer any goods, again thats is between users and does not bring LL as party to the transaction. Linden Lab does run the land store, which is where islands are purchased, and they also auction virtual land. All land in SL comes from Linden Lab, and is "stored" in RL facilities owned by LL. It says right on the front page of the website: "Own Virtual Land". It doesn't get much more straightforward than that. |
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Strife Onizuka
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05-01-2007 10:45
This isn't the Political Action Forum.
This forum isn't for general discussion; there are many Resident Sites where this discussion is appropriate — Resident Answers is for Resident-to-Resident help.  I'll close this thread..._____________________
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