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Har Fairweather
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07-24-2007 15:03
RL is a very uncertain existence,and has been since the first life forms appeared several billion years ago. SL is a very uncertain existence too.

People who go out of their way to dump on someone driven to make money from this place so they can stay home with a troubled child like the poster above need to understand what contemptible scum they have become in the service of their disgustingly small and vicious, neurotic egos, and go become enforcers for loan sharks, or the kind of scum who turn unemployed ghetto people out into the gutter for a paycheck, or maybe help the Taliban kill the people they regard as moral inferiors.

Charlene, I respect your courage, and I admire you. I do not know how I would stand up under the burden you bear. I hope I would have half the courage and grace you show here. I hope SL will prove the means to carry you and your family to a good conclusion.

Either way, we need fewer of the scumbags who lurk to dump on people the least bit less "successful" (whatever the hell THAT means in a world where you play the cards you are dealt in life). Those here who fit that description, please do SL and us normal human beings a favor, and go get a job in RL pulling the fillings out of the teeth of pitiful victims who have no defense against you for money. We here in SL will flourish far better without you than with you. Better yet, get cancer and die, in intolerable pain, slowly, and let us watch, ok? We won't make any money off it, but we will enjoy it.
Desmond Shang
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07-24-2007 15:10
I was an exec in a multimillion dollar tech corp, and had hiring responsibilities at other places prior to starting my own company.

Let me put it this way.

People generally think jobs are somewhat to very secure. Gee, I've been here X years already... &c &c. Yeah, that's great.

But if there's someone else somewhere who can do what you do... you ain't got nothin'.
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Coyote Momiji
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07-24-2007 15:12
From: SqueezeOne Pow
Yeah, I guess my standards of "working somewhere that won't look ridiculous on my resume later" and "is actually subject to any labor laws or codes of conduct enforcible by the state so I have even the slightest amount of protection if the shit hits the fan" are a little high!


Actually, my work in SL has intrigued people, some of whom are former clients for graphic design work. I work for myself, /with/ someone who is not my employer. I work the hours I choose and am quite content with my schedule and interaction.

From: someone
I refuse to accept that the job market is so bad that the best work you can find is playing a computer game all day. Shit, even places like McDonalds-level jobs can offer health benefits. They might suck but it's more than SL's gonna give you!


Uh, sure, sweetcheeks. McD's is going to provide health benefits. That's "reality".

Let's sit you down and discuss this like adults for a moment, shall we?

I live in a somewhat isolated area. The gas to go to a minimum wage job, combined with child care for my kids (especially the youngest, who isn't what most people consider "normal";) would render any minimum wage job a negative income. I would lose money by working outside the home, whereas my current income in SL is largely profit.

I also enjoy what I do in SL, and see no detriment to my resume or my children because of it; my time with the girls, in fact, has made them much happier than the brief time they spent in day care.
SqueezeOne Pow
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07-24-2007 15:16
From: Har Fairweather
RL is a very uncertain existence,and has been since the first life forms appeared several billion years ago. SL is a very uncertain existence too.


There is a much higher chance that RL will be here tomorrow than SL. But continue...

From: Har Fairweather

People who go out of their way to dump on someone driven to make money from this place so they can stay home with a troubled child like the poster above need to understand what contemptible scum they have become in the service of their disgustingly small and vicious, neurotic egos, and go become enforcers for loan sharks, or the kind of scum who turn unemployed ghetto people out into the gutter for a paycheck, or maybe help the Taliban kill the people they regard as moral inferiors.


Lighten up, Francis!! I wasn't commenting on her particular situation and from her recent post she doesn't even fit in the category I'm talking about...her SL income is supplemental to her husband's and she spends most of that time caring for her son. That's a completely different situation and I have no issue with that. It's a sacrifice being made for her family's current situation and I commend her for it.

From: Har Fairweather
Either way, we need fewer of the scumbags who lurk to dump on people the least bit less "successful" (whatever the hell THAT means in a world where you play the cards you are dealt in life). Those here who fit that description, please do SL and us normal human beings a favor, and go get a job in RL pulling the fillings out of the teeth of pitiful victims who have no defense against you for money. We here in SL will flourish far better without you than with you. Better yet, get cancer and die, in intolerable pain, slowly, and let us watch, ok? We won't make any money off it, but we will enjoy it.


Man you have a lot of bitterness and hate. Beat up by jocks one too many times in High School or something??? GEEZ!!

Just because I'm not fooling myself with the illusion that playing SL and making money off of it is like having a small business doesn't mean the bile and contempt you spew at me is at all warranted.

Play crusader for the little people somewhere else, bro. It's not applicable here.

I stand by what I said before. If you have a family depending on your income and choose to forego a real job (one with even the POTENTIAL for benefits and subject to labor laws in your area) to make clothes or sell fake land all day on SL then you aren't making a responsible choice.

LL makes NO guarantee that they will pay you ANYTHING tomorrow. Even a shitty job has to pay you for your hours worked!

P.S.: We need another shipment of "Get Over Yourself" awards, stat!
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Fade Languish
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07-24-2007 15:17
From: Coyote Momiji
Actually, my work in SL has intrigued people, some of whom are former clients for graphic design work. I work for myself, /with/ someone who is not my employer. I work the hours I choose and am quite content with my schedule and interaction.



Uh, sure, sweetcheeks. McD's is going to provide health benefits. That's "reality".

Let's sit you down and discuss this like adults for a moment, shall we?

I live in a somewhat isolated area. The gas to go to a minimum wage job, combined with child care for my kids (especially the youngest, who isn't what most people consider "normal";) would render any minimum wage job a negative income. I would lose money by working outside the home, whereas my current income in SL is largely profit.

I also enjoy what I do in SL, and see no detriment to my resume or my children because of it; my time with the girls, in fact, has made them much happier than the brief time they spent in day care.


So how you doin'?
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Coyote Momiji
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07-24-2007 15:18
From: Fade Languish
So how you doin'?


Not bad, babe. Not bad.

We just picked up the keys to the new place. I'm gleeful. :D
Fade Languish
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07-24-2007 15:19
From: Coyote Momiji
Not bad, babe. Not bad.

We just picked up the keys to the new place. I'm gleeful. :D


:D
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07-24-2007 15:22
Oh and before I forget

:rolleyes:
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SqueezeOne Pow
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07-24-2007 15:28
From: Coyote Momiji
Actually, my work in SL has intrigued people, some of whom are former clients for graphic design work. I work for myself, /with/ someone who is not my employer. I work the hours I choose and am quite content with my schedule and interaction.


How is healthcare paid for? You able to put anything away for retirement? If not, is there ever going to be a POTENTIAL to put something away for retirement with SL? In reality...not at this point.

I don't expect an answer since that's your personal info, but you should be able to see where I'm going with this.

From: Coyote Momiji

Uh, sure, sweetcheeks. McD's is going to provide health benefits. That's "reality".


You don't think you could be management material? You'd be surprised at what's available at many of the lower-end jobs out there. It's not great but it's not SL...

From: Coyote Momiji

Let's sit you down and discuss this like adults for a moment, shall we?


Are you going to be dressed like a furry for this? Make sure your bling is set to "off" for the meeting...

From: Coyote Momiji

I live in a somewhat isolated area. The gas to go to a minimum wage job, combined with child care for my kids (especially the youngest, who isn't what most people consider "normal";) would render any minimum wage job a negative income. I would lose money by working outside the home, whereas my current income in SL is largely profit.


Until LL has a shift in their business model and decide (for whatever reason) to limit the amount they will pay out to someone or make the RL money payout into credits towards your SL account. I see no indication of this happening anytime soon but I see no indication that it's not possible.

From: Coyote Momiji

I also enjoy what I do in SL, and see no detriment to my resume or my children because of it; my time with the girls, in fact, has made them much happier than the brief time they spent in day care.


Then go for it. From the sounds of it your family isn't relying on your income solely anyway. Again not what I was talking about...

I'm sure I've made many of you mad with this reality check, and I totally wish SL had potential to foster careers for people but I stand by my assertion that at this point relying on SL for any long-term income is essentially as responsible as professional gambling without the folksy glamor.
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White Hyacinth
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07-24-2007 15:31
Interesting question.

No, I don't call it "playing". It feels more like "being" in sim X or sim Y. I don't talk too much about it I guess. I rarely meet people who understand it. Sometimes I try to explain what it is to people. I think I call it "using" then. Just like "using" Google. I must watch myself the next time I talk about it and report back here :)
Har Fairweather
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07-24-2007 15:53
SqueezOne, post some more. Earn the contempt of even more people.

I dump on very few people in these forums. The ones I do dump on, IMO, richly deserve it. I do not act otherwise.

I have seen trollers here. I have seen intellectually dishonest people here, some in the service of their financial self-interest, and some in the interest of their ideological stands they take for their own neurotic needs. I sometimes dump on them, and when I do, it is because I feel honored to do so.

And some are really sick. I think you are in that category. Go take your pathetic rationalizations about your vicious posts in this thread elsewhere. See a therapist, if one can stand to talk to you. Otherwise, eat rat poison. But leave normal, healthy human society alone. Things are tough enough to deal with, without the likes of you. You are subtracting from the sum total of human knowledge.
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07-24-2007 16:06
From: Desmond Shang
But if there's someone else somewhere who can do what you do... you ain't got nothin'.


Truer words were never spoken.

And in answer to the OP: I call it "being in SL" or "therapy session" or "having a holiday". The word "playing" does trivialize what SL is for many, but most of DO play IN SL. I also play in real life. Therefore, I'm "in SL" and "in RL".
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SqueezeOne Pow
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07-24-2007 16:08
From: Har Fairweather
SqueezOne, post some more. Earn the contempt of even more people.


I'm not usually too concerned with other people's opinion of me. I never was one to go with the crowd just to fit in.

From: Har Fairweather

I dump on very few people in these forums. The ones I do dump on, IMO, richly deserve it. I do not act otherwise.


Behold the justified Sentinel of SL!

From: Har Fairweather

I have seen trollers here. I have seen intellectually dishonest people here, some in the service of their financial self-interest, and some in the interest of their ideological stands they take for their own neurotic needs. I sometimes dump on them, and when I do, it is because I feel honored to do so.


Whatever floats your angry boat and helps you justify...whatever it is you do!

From: Har Fairweather

And some are really sick. I think you are in that category. Go take your pathetic rationalizations about your vicious posts in this thread elsewhere. See a therapist, if one can stand to talk to you. Otherwise, eat rat poison. But leave normal, healthy human society alone. Things are tough enough to deal with, without the likes of you. You are subtracting from the sum total of human knowledge.


Looks like SOMEONE didn't take their meds today!

Anyway, I fail to see how insulting me discredits any of my opinions on this matter. If anything it just shows that some opinions are more welcome to you than others and you make judgements on people out of emotion (clearly overwhelmingly negative emotions) and some sort of misplaced need to be a "hero".

You're not saving anyone from anything and, if anything, you're adding a more negative tone to this conversation without giving any valid information that either proves your point or disproves mine.

I know I come across pretty blunt sometimes and that a lot of people can't take it very well, but why should I stifle my opinion because of others' weaknesses? I explained why I felt what I felt and addressed the issues brought up in response to my opinion. Simple as that.

Go write a poem in the forest or something, Har. You're not helping anything here.
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Czari Zenovka
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07-24-2007 16:11
From: Ketter McAllister
What about using SL as a platform for creative and artistic expression?

I'm a RL creative working in the fields of video and art direction.

In SL, I'm learning new photography techniques and new post-production (Photoshop) skills I haven't ever tried before in RL. I'm probably learning more new things about Photoshop with SL-based projects than any new skills I've gained with RL projects in the past several years. (Thanks to inworlders Baron Grayson, yann Mip and Torley Linden for your influences, inspirations and guidance.)

I'm learning about machinima (virtual filmmaking), the different ways to produce it inworld and how to develop those projects for viewing on the internet -- and eventually how to "broadcast" it back in SL, as well.

Finally, I'm currently in rehearsals for a theatre production that someone in SL wrote specifically for an SL-related subculture. I'm learning about virtual world stagecraft, too. Theatre in SL. Yeah.

How cool is all that?

I have a "to do" list of a bunch of things I still want to explore in SL. For example, I used to be a DJ in RL and I want to do that here again. I love museums and I have a really cool idea for one that I'm going to build and promote. And, lately, I've decided that I want to learn how to make jewelry. Really, really cool jewelry. Edgy looking stuff.

My SL partner recently told me about his hobby of restoring antique furniture. He's started to build furniture in SL now.

And we've both talked about opening an SL sports bar together, with things like sports videos and an ESPN audio feed. That is, if we can figure those things out. :)

There's a lot more going on inworld than just "socializing." Anybody who thinks otherwise needs to get out of the clubs and malls a little more often.


Excellent post! I couldn't agree more!!
Desmond Shang
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07-24-2007 16:21
From: SqueezeOne Pow
I know I come across pretty blunt sometimes and that a lot of people can't take it very well, but why should I stifle my opinion because of others' weaknesses? I explained why I felt what I felt and addressed the issues brought up in response to my opinion. Simple as that.


Because there's a good chance you'll get the banhammer.

Incidentally, you've inferred that a *very* good friend of mine, someone who I know is a *hero* of a parent, and likely to sacrifice her enjoyment of life to that thankless cause permanently, is an unfit parent.

I have only one request of you, sir. PLEASE join secondcitizen.com. I'll have a resident answer awaiting you there.
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Har Fairweather
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07-24-2007 16:27
From: Desmond Shang
Because there's a good chance you'll get the banhammer.

Incidentally, you've inferred that a *very* good friend of mine, someone who I know is a *hero* of a parent, and likely to sacrifice her enjoyment of life to that thankless cause permanently, is an unfit parent.

I have only one request of you, sir. PLEASE join secondcitizen.com. I'll have a resident answer awaiting you there.


Is there someplace where turning over to Al Qaeda beheaders is an option? Just asking.
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07-24-2007 16:29
I say I've been playing in SL when that's what I've been doing. Heh, but most the time? It's hunting (big game?), investigating, working, doing, "ripping SL a new one", dialoging the improvements, attending classes (pertaining to: SL[x,y,z], FL, AR*, and the future)

SL is a new shore. Regardless weather it dies tomorro, it clearly undeniably begins to articulate how we shall express ourselves. (Lord knows we need a lot of help there).

Is that a job, a game, a carreer, or a calling? I can't say. But that i dain to spend my time here regardless of financial reward; Would that be cause to "rip me a new one"? Heh, I dare you to try.

heh, i like that ... banhammer. smirks. brilliant!




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Har Fairweather
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07-24-2007 16:37
From: Zen Zeddmore
I say I've been playing in SL when that's what I've been doing. Heh, but most the time? It's hunting (big game?), investigating, working, doing, "ripping SL a new one", dialoging the improvements, attending classes (pertaining to: SL[x,y,z], FL, AR*, and the future)

SL is a new shore. Regardless weather it dies tomorro, it clearly undeniably begins to articulate how we shall express ourselves. (Lord knows we need a lot of help there).

Is that a job, a game, a carreer, or a calling? I can't say. But that i dain to spend my time here regardless of financial reward; Would that be cause to "rip me a new one"? Heh, I dare you to try.






AR(Augmented Reality) :)


Not sure I uderstand you, but if I do: On to the future!
Zen Zeddmore
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07-24-2007 16:39
hey Har was going to put you on my buddy list but wanted to ask first. no emails so's i askin here.
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Har Fairweather
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07-24-2007 16:46
From: Zen Zeddmore
hey Har was going to put you on my buddy list but wanted to ask first. no emails so's i askin here.


If you can stand someone like me, I would be happy to be acquainted with someone like you.
SqueezeOne Pow
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07-24-2007 16:52
From: Desmond Shang
Because there's a good chance you'll get the banhammer.


Sir, I am initiating a Roflcopter. You make such a solid arguement.

From: Desmond Shang
Incidentally, you've inferred that a *very* good friend of mine, someone who I know is a *hero* of a parent, and likely to sacrifice her enjoyment of life to that thankless cause permanently, is an unfit parent.


I couldn't say because I haven't met your hero friend and don't remember calling her out by name.

Also, I highly doubt her's is the only or even primary income in the family...unless she's Anshe Chung.

From: Desmond Shang

I have only one request of you, sir. PLEASE join secondcitizen.com. I'll have a resident answer awaiting you there.


Yeah, I've heard about that concentration camp of opinions. You can't send me there just because I don't agree with you. I seem to be able to put up with the righteous flaming and moral trolling of people like you just fine. I think you can deal with me having opinions.

It boggles my mind that people are so quick to jump on people with such misinformation.

*I never said stay-at-home moms that play SL and get money from it are unfit.*

I said PEOPLE WHO HAVE FAMILIES THAT RELY PRIMARILY ON THEIR INCOME are unfit.

There's a BIG difference, folks.

Anyway, work's done, going home. Cya!
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Har Fairweather
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07-24-2007 16:58
Squirm, scumbag, squirm.
Zen Zeddmore
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07-24-2007 17:07
T. hee. hee.
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07-24-2007 17:10
*psst* Ignore list is your friend!

:)
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07-24-2007 17:11
What Ketter said.
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