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Realtors in SL?

Tina Tangerine
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02-24-2007 20:38
oops sorry all I guess I should have... that seems to be covered
Carl Metropolitan
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02-25-2007 13:26
From: Jackson Rickenbacker
Carl its actually called Commission and not Association at least on state levels


You are confusing a trade organization with a state licensing board. The Florida Real Estate Commission is an agency of the State of Florida, under the Department of Business and Professional Regulation's Division of Real Estate. However there is a Florida Association of Realtors which is affiliated with the National Association of Realtors, and like the NAR is a private trade organization.

From: Jackson Rickenbacker
Go ahead and use it. Realtor AND Realty ARE trademarks of the Association and you must be a Member to display these words. Look up Florida Real Estate Commission (FREC) V. Weirner DBA Vacation Village.


As I said in my previous post, "Realtor" is a registered trademark of the National Association of Realtors. "Realty" is not. If you don't believe me, you are free to look up "Realty" at the USPTO trademark database (as I did). You will find that hundreds of companies use "realty" as part of their trademarked names, but disclaim exclusive use of "realty" outside of their mark. You will also find if you search for "National Association of Realtors" under "Owner Name" 124 trademarks--both live and dead and both applications and registrations. None of those are for the word "Realty"
Dnate Mars
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02-25-2007 14:11
From: Stephen Zenith
You don't know. You guessed.

You didn't know. You were wrong.

I think I'll call myself a realtor just for the sake of it after this.


If you want to use that term in the UK, be my guess. But with SL being located in the US, you must follow US law. Under US law, you may not use the term Realtor. Outside of SL, I really don't care what you do.
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HolyHell Cassell
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02-25-2007 15:32
From: Dnate Mars
If you want to use that term in the UK, be my guess. But with SL being located in the US, you must follow US law. Under US law, you may not use the term Realtor. Outside of SL, I really don't care what you do.



Umm Maybe I missed the point of all this, but who really cares what he calls himself? People are ripping stuff off from everywhere.. Gucci handbags, Boris paintings sold as art in here... Why are you so hell bent that he not call himself a realtor ?
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02-25-2007 15:40
It is all wrong, Realtor is no different. I would treat all the rip-offs the same, it is just in this thread, we didn't talk about the other items. Copyrights and trademarks need to be honored in SL just as they would in FL. Why some people think that because they are on line laws don't apply to them is beyond me.
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Guido Columbia
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02-25-2007 18:14
From: Stephen Zenith
Under UK law, I'll call myself a Realtor if I choose to. Florida state law is, oddly enough, not applicable to me.


A "Realtor" is a licenced real estate agent who is a member of the "National Association of Realtors", who pays a membership fee to the association and obeys the code of ethics found here:

http://www.realtor.org/mempolweb.nsf/pages/code

So I guess your a Realtor, and I'm the King of England.. :)
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02-25-2007 18:55
The only service land barons have ever done is to fool you into believing they provide a service.
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02-25-2007 20:53
They're not land barons, they're realtors.
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02-25-2007 23:25
I would be very happy with regulation of land in SL, perhaps taking a cue from RL that no person could sell more than 5 plots (considered personal ownership) without some kind of SL Wide licensing and screening. I doubt that many people involved in landsales would continue if there was. It is time to start cleaning up the SL land market i think everyone agrees with that and thos who dont, are probably the ones that have cause the land market to be so foul
John Horner
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02-26-2007 04:20
From: Dnate Mars
If you want to use that term in the UK, be my guess. But with SL being located in the US, you must follow US law. Under US law, you may not use the term Realtor. Outside of SL, I really don't care what you do.


I am not entirely certain that Second Life is in the USA. Have you considered the concept of emanate domain
Guido Columbia
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02-26-2007 06:11
From: John Horner
I am not entirely certain that Second Life is in the USA. Have you considered the concept of emanate domain


You mean when the Lindens take your land, tear down your building and turn it into a public sandbox? :)
Guido Columbia
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02-26-2007 06:52
"The REALTOR® marks should only be used to denote membership in the NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS®. "

http://www.realtor.org/letterlw.nsf/pages/internetuse

REALTOR® is a registered trademark of the National Association of Realtors.

A real estate agent denotes an occupation, REALTOR® deontes membership in the National Association of Realtors.

The two terms are often confused among the general public and it would be an honest mistake, but advertising yourself as a Realtor in print is probally not the best idea unless you actually are one (licenced real estate agent who is a member of the NAR). (I think only around 40% of licenced real estate agents in the USA are Realtors).


"Realty" I do not believe is a registered trademark. I've failed to find any trademark refrence to Realty on realtor.org and have found many defintions that state it is synonmous with "real estate" and does not indicate it is a registered trademark like it does for REALTOR®.
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02-26-2007 06:52
Well well.... after all this tademark stuff... I sincerely hope there is no TM for using my last name which LL christened me with??

On a note, the association is using a code of practice, which is only applicable to its members.

SL maybe founded and phyiscally within the US, but the laws most keep talking about, don't apply to anyone outside the US. I wonder is state laws apply if LL have more than one site, and would there be any conflict?

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02-26-2007 07:05
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Well well.... after all this tademark stuff... I sincerely hope there is no TM for using my last name which LL christened me with??

On a note, the association is using a code of practice, which is only applicable to its members.

SL maybe founded and phyiscally within the US, but the laws most keep talking about, don't apply to anyone outside the US. I wonder is state laws apply if LL have more than one site, and would there be any conflict?

Have a great one.

Is that is true, why does the DMCA apply in SL? DMCA is a US law.
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Guido Columbia
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02-26-2007 07:14
Well, AWM Mars® unless you portray yourself to be a delicious candy bar I think you should be safe.. :)

I don't know what would happen to someone legally in the UK who represented himself as a REALTOR® and wasn't one, my larger point was that it would be an incorrect and misleading title to use unless you really were a REALTOR®.
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02-26-2007 07:16
From: Jackson Rickenbacker
I would be very happy with regulation of land in SL, perhaps taking a cue from RL that no person could sell more than 5 plots (considered personal ownership) without some kind of SL Wide licensing and screening. I doubt that many people involved in landsales would continue if there was. It is time to start cleaning up the SL land market i think everyone agrees with that and thos who dont, are probably the ones that have cause the land market to be so foul


Let me guess, you think that the National Association of Realtors is just the organization to provide such a service.

Y'all have enough of a stranglehold on the U.S. real estate market, isn't that enough for you? NO, you want to take over the world, virtual world included. With a big enough donation from the NAR, I'm sure Linden Labs would be happy to work it out for you.

The SL land market could use cleaning up, but this is not the way to do it. I like my free market free, thank you.
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