Ok is there a list of keywords we are not to use besides just "casino" and "holdem"?
I have a classified that has disappeared twice. both times I wondered if I accidently canceled it. Its the same ad and I have removed the word "holdem" from it but wonder now after reading the blog if I lost my ad because of the word "texas"?
If I can just see a list I know what words to avoid.
Thanks.
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Xplorer Cannoli
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07-03-2007 16:49
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Ciaran Laval
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07-03-2007 16:52
Haven't you got a mall to manage
 I wish they'd posted this blog before Robin Linden's office hours meeting, the subject was raised about words like "Lolita" being banned and Robin said they were looking into it, looks like it's still being implemented over zealously. Not refunding your money is the kicker, why would texas be so bad on its own? Or do they think you're trying to get around the casino/gambling issue? |
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Ann Launay
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07-03-2007 17:20
I tried to call my newest alt 'Lola' and got a message at sign up that the name wasn't available with ANY last name. I suppose it's possible that it was already claimed for all of them, especially given the lack of last name cycling, but it still seemed strange.
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07-03-2007 18:03
I tried to call my newest alt 'Lola' and got a message at sign up that the name wasn't available with ANY last name. I suppose it's possible that it was already claimed for all of them, especially given the lack of last name cycling, but it still seemed strange. Have you tried Lola2007, LoLoLoLola, or Lola696969?  _____________________
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Raudf Fox
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07-03-2007 18:21
*sighs* It would help if the stupid thing would tell you that a word is forbidden and what word it is before you post the classified. But as will all things LL, it would probably forbid the words that are like 'sextant,' 'Cummings' and 'lollipop.'
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Angelique LaFollette
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07-03-2007 18:26
*sighs* It would help if the stupid thing would tell you that a word is forbidden and what word it is before you post the classified. But as will all things LL, it would probably forbid the words that are like 'sextant,' 'Cummings' and 'lollipop.' Oh, and it might just ban words that it doesn't recognize, just to be on the safe side depending upon who programmed the thing that could be a frightening amount of words. Angel. |
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Jessica Elytis
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07-03-2007 18:48
Oh, and it might just ban words that it doesn't recognize, just to be on the safe side Don't use "Customer Service" then. LL doesn't know the meaning *snickers* ~Jessy _____________________
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Raudf Fox
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07-03-2007 18:49
depending upon who programmed the thing that could be a frightening amount of words. Angel. *nods* I was on a forum that had a nanny-filter.. and guess what? A lot of words were banned, fortunately by accident, in this case. I couldn't write a simple sentence without it sounding like something a one year old had stuttered out. None of us could and we finally all mass emailed with individual variations on, "FIX THE NANNY FILTER, PLEASE?!" Sometimes things just go haywire.. at LL, they do it a lot more _____________________
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07-03-2007 19:10
Don't use "Customer Service" then. LL doesn't know the meaning *snickers* ~Jessy Damn You Jessica! _____________________
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07-03-2007 20:25
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07-03-2007 22:17
A Nanny filter would Also have to be programmed for Every language represented in SL INCLUDING Gorean, Drow, and Klingon otherwise SL would be Forced into an "English Only" mode that would cost them accounts. remember SL is International now and English isn't the only language with Colourful Metaphors.
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07-03-2007 22:18
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Yumi Murakami
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07-03-2007 22:20
I tried to call my newest alt 'Lola' and got a message at sign up that the name wasn't available with ANY last name. I suppose it's possible that it was already claimed for all of them, especially given the lack of last name cycling, but it still seemed strange. Av name filtering is very, very strange - they seem to apply a lot of rules that aren't stated. One rule is that any name that matches someone famous will always be blocked. Names too close to other residents can be, although I know a Governer Lindman. And I remember when I found myself blocked trying to create Nomoney Noland.. |
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Alderic LeShelle
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07-03-2007 23:31
Word bans are surprisingly easy to incorporate. There are enough dictionaries digitally available, so just search them for any word with the (v.) in the description, describing the word as 'vulgar'. Add a subroutine which checks for phonetic similarities on the entered word and perhaps a cutoff for abbreviations and you're fine.
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07-04-2007 00:15
Haven't you got a mall to manage I wish they'd posted this blog before Robin Linden's office hours meeting, the subject was raised about words like "Lolita" being banned and Robin said they were looking into it, looks like it's still being implemented over zealously. Not refunding your money is the kicker, why would texas be so bad on its own? Or do they think you're trying to get around the casino/gambling issue? Man, they better not ban the word "Texas" There are a lot of us Texans in SL and you wouldn't like us if we were pissed off.  _____________________
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Iron Perth
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07-04-2007 00:36
Apparently "Strip Poker" is a reason to remove without refund 11000 L$ worth of classifieds.
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Bloodsong Termagant
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07-04-2007 05:17
funny...
i thought (v.) meant 'verb.' ;) a list to preview, or at least a REASON your name/item/whatever was rejected would be actually helpful. i know someone who could not use her name, cassandra. apparently, cassandra is too close to some naughty word. at least she was able to figure out why she couldn't get her name. i'd be going nuts wondering where all these people named cassandra came from :/ |
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Zaphod Kotobide
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07-04-2007 07:35
I think the purpose of the policy reiterated by Chadrick is to prohibit use of the classifieds and places listings for advertising gambling establishments, period, not particularly to prohibit use of certain words, or to play some cat and mouse game to figure out which words you can get away with.
Ok is there a list of keywords we are not to use besides just "casino" and "holdem"? I have a classified that has disappeared twice. both times I wondered if I accidently canceled it. Its the same ad and I have removed the word "holdem" from it but wonder now after reading the blog if I lost my ad because of the word "texas"? If I can just see a list I know what words to avoid. Thanks. Link to the blog post: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/07/03/advertising-policy-and-classifieds/#respond _____________________
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Raudf Fox
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07-04-2007 08:12
I think the purpose of the policy reiterated by Chadrick is to prohibit use of the classifieds and places listings for advertising gambling establishments, period, not particularly to prohibit use of certain words, or to play some cat and mouse game to figure out which words you can get away with. Can one honestly think it's a HUMAN that is pulling the ads/descriptions? I honestly don't think that it is. I think it's a nanny filter type thing.. which means it'd be nice to get a pre-filter on what words can't be used before you post an 'expensive as heck' ad. It's what a lot of the 'pg' forums use, something that scans the text and says, "I'm sorry, we cannot post this as it is, please change ___ for another word." People are going to get around the rules.. so instead of punishing all of us, why doesn't LL give us the tools to see what's wrong with the ads/descriptions? Seriously, if the word "sextant" is bad, how would I know unless my ad was yanked and then I'd still not know. All I'd know is that I'd be totally peeved that my ad was unfairly removed. To save those the headache of searching a sextant is an instrument for measuring angular distances used especially in navigation to observe altitudes of celestial bodies (as in ascertaining latitude and longitude)... nothing to do with sex, but it could be banned for having the same first three letters by a nanny filter. _____________________
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Zaphod Kotobide
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07-04-2007 08:45
There is definately a script involved, running on a set schedule. What's not clear is whether this same script will pull an ad on the spot, or just mark it for review by a Linden. It does seem like that latter would be a better approach.
Can one honestly think it's a HUMAN that is pulling the ads/descriptions? I honestly don't think that it is. I think it's a nanny filter type thing.. which means it'd be nice to get a pre-filter on what words can't be used before you post an 'expensive as heck' ad. It's what a lot of the 'pg' forums use, something that scans the text and says, "I'm sorry, we cannot post this as it is, please change ___ for another word." People are going to get around the rules.. so instead of punishing all of us, why doesn't LL give us the tools to see what's wrong with the ads/descriptions? Seriously, if the word "sextant" is bad, how would I know unless my ad was yanked and then I'd still not know. All I'd know is that I'd be totally peeved that my ad was unfairly removed. To save those the headache of searching a sextant is an instrument for measuring angular distances used especially in navigation to observe altitudes of celestial bodies (as in ascertaining latitude and longitude)... nothing to do with sex, but it could be banned for having the same first three letters by a nanny filter. _____________________
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Gordon Wendt
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07-04-2007 08:51
A Nanny filter would Also have to be programmed for Every language represented in SL INCLUDING Gorean, Drow, and Klingon otherwise SL would be Forced into an "English Only" mode that would cost them accounts. remember SL is International now and English isn't the only language with Colourful Metaphors. Angel. Not necessarily since nobody really listens to the goreans or cares what they have to say anyway... doubly so since most of their words involve come here slave or some other variation. _____________________
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Har Fairweather
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07-04-2007 08:56
Sounds like it would be a wise policy to run a test classified at L$50 long enough so you are satisfied it's not going to get yanked before paying up for higher placement. Nanny filters really are as idiotic as they're cracked up to be.
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07-04-2007 09:04
I think the purpose of the policy reiterated by Chadrick is to prohibit use of the classifieds and places listings for advertising gambling establishments, period, not particularly to prohibit use of certain words, or to play some cat and mouse game to figure out which words you can get away with. Exactly, and if people decide to ignore the prohibition on gambling ads and use intentional misspellings and whatnot to get around it, ignoring the intent of the ban, we'll end up with even more restrictive and annoying policies. _____________________
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Xplorer Cannoli
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07-04-2007 09:16
why doesn't LL give us the tools to see what's wrong with the ads/descriptions? Seriously, if the word "sextant" is bad, how would I know unless my ad was yanked and then I'd still not know. All I'd know is that I'd be totally peeved that my ad was unfairly removed. Exactly. Its all a matter of their discretion without explanation. |
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Raudf Fox
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07-04-2007 10:18
There is definately a script involved, running on a set schedule. What's not clear is whether this same script will pull an ad on the spot, or just mark it for review by a Linden. It does seem like that latter would be a better approach. *smiles wryly* Precisely, so I'd rather assume the worst, so I can be pleasantly surprised at if I'm wrong. Besides, when has LL been known to go with the better approach, when an easy approach is available? Also taking into account that they are overwhelmingly understaffed, I'll lean towards the script pulling the ad for the moment. And if it's a human, why the heck can't they at least IM the user with a "Sorry, we pulled your ad because it contained the word ____ which is against our policy to permit," and refund them for the first offense? Second offense would mean a yanking with no refunds, with notice of reason and third could mean banning for a period of time (2 to 3 days sounds fair). *sighs* I find it important, because I do place ads for my shop. I don't think that I am using any words that are of the forbidden nature, because I don't need to, but mistakes happen, and I'd like a bit of lee way while I hang myself on the ropes. Is the word 'strip' punishable or is it just 'poker?' _____________________
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