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Koroz Kline
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Join date: 20 Feb 2007
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08-03-2007 05:16
Hi folks. Are there any "spying" tools out there in SL that can do all (or part of) of the following...

1. Track an AV across the grid (remote to the tool owner).
2. Record and/or notify the spytool owner of the tracked AV's location.
3. Record/feedback open chat that the followed AV types.
4. Record/feedback IM's that the followed AV types.

If there is... and you dont want to say what they are...thats cool.

But... if there is ... are there any foolproof detectors for such spying tools/bugs?

TIA

KK
Morwen Bunin
Everybody needs a hero!
Join date: 8 Dec 2005
Posts: 1,743
08-03-2007 05:22
Yes, there is..... It is called the friendlist or communications (in the newest viewer).

Has all the features you asked for. Only thing... someone can deny you these actions.

Well, it has not all you want, but still....

To the serious side: I think the things you are asking for are getting close to what is not allowed (or at least not diserable).
And if I found out someone would do something like that to me, I will AR without doubt.

Morwen.
Qie Niangao
Coin-operated
Join date: 24 May 2006
Posts: 7,138
08-03-2007 05:28
Nothing can see the IMs, short of a hacked viewer used by the spying victim (or, theoretically, packet-sniffing somewhere in the net route between sim and victim's viewer; afaik IMs aren't encrypted). The rest is easy for an attachment (e.g., collar) worn by the victim, save in no-script parcels (and even there, I think it's still possible for an attachment using the correct script permissions loophole--some AOs and flight assists work in no-script parcels, still, don't they?). A non-attached "follower" prim would be subject to the same restriction, and additionally be thwarted by no-object-entry parcels.

It's easy to detect the presence of scripted objects with a sensor, but generally impossible to know if those scripts are doing any particular thing.
Robin Laffer
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Join date: 29 Apr 2006
Posts: 75
08-03-2007 05:28
Doing the 4 above mentioned things without the AVs permission, i do believe is against the TOS
Koroz Kline
Registered User
Join date: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 3
08-03-2007 05:41
HI folks.

Just wanna make it clear .. I am not suggesting any intention of using any such spytool if one exists. Thats why I dont necessarily want the name of any such tool... just an awareness of their existance.

More importantly is the availabilty of any detectors...for example... Mystitool has a "bug Scanner" .. but whether it can detect such spying devices...dunno.

TIA

KK
Morwen Bunin
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Join date: 8 Dec 2005
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08-03-2007 06:07
I do know that there scanner that can detect if someone is online, even when someone placed herself/himself on invisible there.
No idea how legal or illegal these are.

Morwen.
Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
Posts: 5,328
08-03-2007 06:08
From: Morwen Bunin
I do know that there scanner that can detect if someone is online, even when someone placed herself/himself on invisible there.
No idea how legal or illegal these are.

Morwen.


Legal-ish. It doesn't give you much in the way of useful information anyways. I've been using something like this lately in place of my friends list, because Friends seems to be so amazingly broken anymore.
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Pie Psaltery
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Join date: 13 Jan 2004
Posts: 987
08-03-2007 06:36
The most effective AV spy tool ever created??

Just try making an Alt. For spying on your friends/loved ones/exs, they can't be beat. Way safer then breaking the TOS using a bug and no in world scanner can detect them either.
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Stephanie Abernathy
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08-03-2007 10:30
From: Morwen Bunin
I do know that there scanner that can detect if someone is online, even when someone placed herself/himself on invisible there.
No idea how legal or illegal these are.

Morwen.


Quick and easy scanner to see if someone is online (friend or not)... guaranteed to work 99.99% of the time, and 100% undetectable by the person who's online status is being examined:

open search
enter the persons name in search
look at their profile, right side of it
If they are online, it will say "currently online"
If they are not, it will say nothing.
Pie Psaltery
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Join date: 13 Jan 2004
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08-03-2007 10:57
From: Stephanie Abernathy
Quick and easy scanner to see if someone is online (friend or not)... guaranteed to work 99.99% of the time, and 100% undetectable by the person who's online status is being examined:

open search
enter the persons name in search
look at their profile, right side of it
If they are online, it will say "currently online"
If they are not, it will say nothing.



Ummm... unless they've checked the little box in Preferences under the Communication tab that says "Make my online status visible only to my Friends" and then turned off your little eyeball icon in thier Friends list. You'd never know they were completely ignoring you that way. Tho sometimes the website is the tattletale and shows you online even if you've taken these steps.
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DaQbet Kish
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08-03-2007 11:02
Also you can look in a group that the person belongs to. Even if they are set to allow only my friends to see on line status.
Colette Meiji
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Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
08-03-2007 11:05
From: Pie Psaltery
Ummm... unless they've checked the little box in Preferences under the Communication tab that says "Make my online status visible only to my Friends" and then turned off your little eyeball icon in thier Friends list. You'd never know they were completely ignoring you that way. Tho sometimes the website is the tattletale and shows you online even if you've taken these steps.


Just need their Id Key number and then you can track their online status with a script.

You should be able to hide from those too, but you cant.

Also you can "Offer teleport" to anyone who is online even if they arent your freinds list -

But if they are offline you cant.


Just wait a few months tho and there will be real Spy bots to do the spying.
Jack Ratite
Registered User
Join date: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 7
AV spying.
08-03-2007 14:50
I'm sure there are some tools that can read IM. Cus there is a girl and I that have had a relationship even tho she was taken. Ended up with her bf telling her everything we've done, even tho we only used IM. And today a male friend of hers came up to me and asked if we were a couple now and I said, we see what happens, and then he told me in IM " I know you are a couple, I know all what you did today" And we used IM. But I'm like. Hey, if someone needs to spy on others IM, Maybe they should get themselves a more interesting sl life, cus they don't seem to have an interesting one themselvew when they need to spy on others. And these guys are in the mafia.

Make it more secured LINDEN LABS! Or release some scanners against it or something.. Or then just fuck the spys.. I'm tired of them and couldn't care less..Yes, I have a happy and interesting SL life.. I hope you like reading it. :D
SqueezeOne Pow
World Changer
Join date: 21 Dec 2005
Posts: 1,437
08-03-2007 14:51
From: Koroz Kline
HI folks.

Just wanna make it clear .. I am not suggesting any intention of using any such spytool if one exists. Thats why I dont necessarily want the name of any such tool... just an awareness of their existance.

More importantly is the availabilty of any detectors...for example... Mystitool has a "bug Scanner" .. but whether it can detect such spying devices...dunno.

TIA

KK


I have a radar that detects when black helicopters are within 96m of me!
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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08-03-2007 14:53
From: Jack Ratite
I'm sure there are some tools that can read IM.


You are factually incorrect.
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SqueezeOne Pow
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08-03-2007 15:00
From: Reitsuki Kojima
You are factually incorrect.


While I agree, you have failed to give any information to back up such a statement.

All the following/listening stuff I've ever seen can only listen to open chat on whatever channel is out there and can't follow someone if they tp away.

If you (the OP) are that paranoid that you're being watched and followed you could always tp erratically and randomly from time to time.

Then when Philip Linden is using Cerebros in his office he'll see a disconnected line like when they were trying to track Nightcrawler in X2! Brilliant!!
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Jack Ratite
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Join date: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 7
Huh?
08-03-2007 16:00
Well, say what you want, but I'm still pretty sure there is something.. Either self made and not for sale or then something that only a few ppl knows off.

Not even IM is fool proof. Nothing is.
Adrian Khorshid
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Join date: 14 Oct 2006
Posts: 3
08-03-2007 16:14
From: Jack Ratite
Well, say what you want, but I'm still pretty sure there is something.. Either self made and not for sale or then something that only a few ppl knows off.

Not even IM is fool proof. Nothing is.


Well such tools could not possibly have been made through conventional means (i.e. using standard functions) as no function exists within the LSL language that allows one to capture IMs. If one were to find a way to somehow exploit some rare, obscure bug in LSL, I doubt that it would be entirely reliable, but it would be possible.

However, packet sniffers may be capable of intercepting and reading IMs...
Jack Ratite
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Join date: 25 Jan 2007
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Packet sniffer?
08-03-2007 16:18
What the heck is that?
Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
Posts: 5,328
08-03-2007 16:21
From: Jack Ratite
Well, say what you want, but I'm still pretty sure there is something.. Either self made and not for sale or then something that only a few ppl knows off.

Not even IM is fool proof. Nothing is.


There is no hook within LSL to intercept IMs. Nothing.

The ONLY way this could work is if you were dumb enough to use an untrustworthy client or 3rd party application.

Since I don't take "dumb factor" into consideration, I simply pointed out that there is no way /in second life/ to do this.
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Jack Ratite
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Join date: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 7
Ok..
08-03-2007 16:26
But, how a bout some trace stuff? If you're wearing something without knowing, that sends information from the av wearing it, to the 3 person? I've heard that there are collars that when someone wears it, the master can see what their pets are talkin about in IM. Is that even possible?
Cristalle Karami
Lady of the House
Join date: 4 Dec 2006
Posts: 6,222
08-03-2007 16:34
Object IM is not the same as Agent IM.
Jack Ratite
Registered User
Join date: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 7
hmmm
08-03-2007 16:35
Object IM and Agent IM.. What is that and what is the difference?
Object Pascale
moshi moshi
Join date: 27 Jan 2007
Posts: 648
08-03-2007 16:50
From: Koroz Kline
Hi folks. Are there any "spying" tools out there in SL that can do all (or part of) of the following...

1. Track an AV across the grid (remote to the tool owner).
2. Record and/or notify the spytool owner of the tracked AV's location.
3. Record/feedback open chat that the followed AV types.
4. Record/feedback IM's that the followed AV types.
Everything but #4 (IM interception) could be done via a script planted about your person. If any prim attachment you're wearing was gifted, or you have previously loaned it to somebody, be suspicious about what it contains, if you really feel you have been bugged.
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Adrian Khorshid
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Join date: 14 Oct 2006
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08-03-2007 16:51
There is ABSOLUTELY NO function, hook, native, etc. in the LSL scripting language that can capture, intercept, or otherwise manipulate IMs in transit. The only function related to Instant Messaging is llInstantMessage, which merely sends an instant message to another avatar.

The only way someone could possibly intercept an Instant Message is through finding some incredibly unlikely bug in the SL Viewer, or through third-party applications such as packet sniffers, which are against ToS.
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