camping

Ive looked around and I dont see the point of camping at ALL for both the land owner and the campers. Any opinions?

For the campers they get money for doing nothing, for the land owners it raises their business high on the search, thus getting more visitors.

For others in the sim it gives lag and can prevent other owners accessing their properties when the sim is full.

Land owner: higher traffic rates, which makes it easier to attract vendors (who pay rent) who hope to get a lot of buyers.

Camper: gets money (doh). Even though a linden dollar is worth next to nothing, not everybody puts money in. Some finance their expenses solely through camping, dancing and other jobs. Many start out camping before they can aford a better look that can get them hired as dancers or hosts.

What do you think is the average pay for camping?

probably L$3 for 10-12 minutes. i've seen L$2 and L$4 (tho not in a looooong time).

i danced when i was new. but after a short ... very short .. time, i abandoned the idea. seemed to be a waste of MY time and rl energy.

I did camp, back when I was starting back up in LL and didn't have a premium account. Back then, traffic meant Dev Incentives, which were monies paid by LL to the users with the highest traffic. So, it was heavily gamed, with people offering as much as 5 or 6L per 10 minutes. Yeah, that didn't last long before LL did away with the Dev Incentives.

Now, I guess camping is farrrr cheaper than advertising to boost oneself up the searchable charts.

When starting out with a basic account and not entering any billing information (healthy distrust is usually a good trait) you start out with L$0. But to go into decent building you need at least L$10-L$20 to even start uploading textures, because the default ones will get you only that far... and seasoned residents know at least most of them and can spot builds made up with them a mile away.

So you have to earn some startup money first, and camping is by far the easiest and safest way to do that.

The next stage would be when you actually rent a market stall/vendor. Maybe you did some sales, but you cannot be sure wether the money keeps coming to get the marketplace running. It takes some time to get a place established and well-known enough to provide for a steady income, and therefore camping can help to get you at least a supplement to pay your rent.

For some - like me - it is a matter of pride to get an inworld business started - from zero! - without paying any RL money on it.

Camping is my only source of in-world income. If your a loser like me with no skills, it gives you a way to make at least some income. Plus I don't want to actually spend any real world money on the game. One of the reasons I play SL is because I can do it for free.

I hear they are getting rid of "traffic". Will people still setup camping spots if they get rid if that? I hope it's not the end for camping. Like I said, it's my only source of L$.

Do you interact with people when you are there? I have a couple of camping pads, the job type, mainly for the visual effect they give. What I find is that people just sit there leeching the money tree (so they are there) and then totally ignoring anything which is said to them in one of the many languages we can speak between us.

Not all, of course. Some have had the sense to look around the place and get involved. But whilst it might be the only income for some people, and while I only have a couple of places for people to camp, it's my real life money disappearing at a rate of knots.

I was once penniless. Then I realised you can have a cheap SL, or you can have an enjoyable SL, but not many people manage both ...

I did not hear that. It would be interesting to see what would happen then. I don't think there will be many camping chairs left if they do

The number of users concurrently logged in will likely plummet. And so will the sales of content creators. After all: The avatars are camping for a reason. The most likely reason is they want to have money to spend on clothes, furniture, houses, rentals, in a sex club or in a casino.

OR will all the campers finally start to buy Linden Dollars? In that case they will find they have much more to spend by putting in a few dollars than by camping for a week. In that case the content creators will see an INCREASE in sales.

Camping....Second Life's welfare.

Camping is promoted in LL's official Second Life guide as an acceptable way of making a few lindens.

So I don't see it ending soon...

The theory that it 'helps' the person running the camping location is wrong.

Traffic only matters if your in the 'top 20' traffic list in popular place list


if your not in the top 20 the traffic number means nothing, it comes up in no searches and it provides zero benefit.


If you are putting up 'camping' chair you better put up enuf to get yourself in the top 20 otherwise your doing it for nothing....

Just like George Carlin once said 'Imagine how stupid the average person is, now remember that 1/2 the people are stupider then that'

Personally, i enjoy the free money

allthough I AM a camper at some points so im not gonna insult everybodies intelligence but saying its bad ..

but.....

Its just ONE BIG COST......

I really cant understand how many owners manager to run camping areas, I remember Maxims ... he was offering 5 camp zones in one area .... with no questions no limits ... I worked it out that the owners SL was costing about $3,000 amonth and the island was always full of non paying folk.

When I started SL, I was literally skint.... I wasnt premium and remember looking in aw at 1L$ boxes of stuff wondering how I could afford such a thing... never even mind the 300 - 500 items.

As in my RL i have responsibilities that take up my money .. i.e family and bills, I cant afford large tier fees or buying lindens left right and center, so what did I do...

I started my OWN business making the things that I liked .... I camped to earn the money for texture uploads... and camped, of course camping is addictive ...somebody giving you free money ... yes please i said I want some of that... so you end up NOT playing the game so you think .. I will get an alt .. (dont judge me ...... be honest with yaself).
So I got myself a propper alt i.e PAID for from LL and camped one and played the other. I earnt enough to buy a bit of land and juggled some RL finances to pay for tier and open a little shop.

When I camp I try to be socialble with those around me regardless of who it is thats camping and both my alt and my main account have groups .... the same history and the same friends .....

a couple of my favorate camp places knows both of my AV's becasue i TOLD them ....
And I have let spaces go when I have seen somebody waiting for a spot and ive already had a stint or my alt is already there. I have given a space away because I have seen a person there NOT taking the piss.

The real point here is ..

Is camping worth while?

Yes is it ..... for the camper, money to do more stuff in SL ... it aids the economy.

But for the most part it is gamed VERY heavily..... by people with whole teams of alts ready to flood casinos, camp zones , camp masters, camp chairs, buckets , ladders, brooms etc ... all to earn a RL income.... these people dont actually play the game as all they are in SL for is to suppliment a RL income or replace one alltogether.

Ive seen camping folk ignore people and jump from camp bucket/ladder/pad to another one everytime its refilled.... yet they speak to no one, they have no groups .... no personality..., Ive seen then push people away so that they cant get to the camping areas.... abuse people in IM, send texture floords trying to make them crash.

The funniest is " I give you 10 lindens for your space, you leave now yes ??"

They arnt camping ... they are just there to zombie... and before we go into the overnight camp thing .... they dont talk AT ALL ... any time of day.

But yes this camping does put the vendors land up higher in the ranking but to be fair.... it doesnt give much hope for those new people who want to build up thier business and make a quality product as unless you can afford to either pay large amounts of RL money to facilitate camping or you pay 50,000 lindens on an advert per week .... how CAN you compete.

I ultimately see Camping as SL welfare.... you can guarantee that once LL removes traffic searching priority ..camping will drop like a stone.

What SL really needs is methods to make money just like RL ..... ive seen jobs for hostess in clubs ... or shop assistant etc but as most of SL is a not a NEED system ... there is no requirement for burger flippers..... pizza boys ....

The real money is in Content creation or less than pleasent land flippers / land cutters etc.

ANYBODY and i mean ANYBODY can create ...... cant afford CS3 use GIMP, cant afford 3rd part Graphics programs use Blender or even better in world tools....

The only REALL thing I can understand people having difficult with is scripting....... but we all .... have to work at making money in SL ... just like RL.... sometimes its easy ... i.e camping ....some times its hard ... business.

The ONLY solution that sort of works is SL's old stipend system which dwindles on a regular bases. But even that has issues with regards to abuse with multiple email accounts, maybe all this will come to fruition when SL introduce age verification resulting in the income farmers loosing all the alts........

Either which way for now....

Campings here ....
and does allow the many the have funding to play the game.

Marty

When I first started out, I bought an anti-idle program that runs outside of SL, so I could camp every night while I was sleeping. Now I wonder if that even pays the electricity to run my laptop, not to mention overall wear and tear on the comp from heatload. So I don't do it anymore.

It seems to me that it's more profitable to make money on Hippie Pay. A USA resident with a little bit of common sense can make 800L on Hippie Pay in about 2 hours. Now many other countries have offers there too.

Contact me if you want to try Hippie Pay. Use my machine and I'll give you some good tips, and a kickback of an additional 20% of what you earn from it.

That gives any newbie a chance to make their first 1000L to get started. Then you can create a free alt and do it again.

2 pc's with 4 SL's runnin on each, sittin in a chair 3/10 24/7 with auto resit

(3 * 6) * 24 = 432 * 8 = 3456 * 30 = 103,680 / 291 = 356USD a month.


2 pc's 'power bill' is less then that so no your not spending more on electricity then u earn ;-0



just imagine how much the 'server farm' cambots can make a month

Camping is broadly offensive to me,
it should be banned

Once traffic is out, I see no reason for camping and I sincerally hope EVERYONE gets rid of it. I don't give a second thought to losing residents who only take, take, take.

My husband and I spent months creating a bonus camping system to make residents interact with eachother and play games WHILE camping so that they could EXPERIENCE SL a bit more than sitting in a chair and looking around, but our campers lately would rather be paid $2 every 10 or so than to be up moving around shopping and chatting and getting bonus multipliers...I can't wait for LL to make traffic fair somehow, whether they completely remove it or not.


Bottom line, good riddance. I've come up with better ways to attract people than with camping and once camping is out, maybe then some of us that try so hard to create these things and places to go will get a LITTLE recognition because campers will be forced to find other means to make money.

As a newbie coming into SL and quickly finding so many things cost lindens - the only way I saw to make a bit of bling was to camp.

I'd do it for about 5 minutes a time then be soooooo bored that I had to do something else.

Perhaps something more interactive could be used for newbies who need to earn money, they could walk around wearing billboards advertising your store?

You could teach them how to build shirts that they can sell in your store for a % of profit

I'm sure there are many other things you could have a newbie do.

Newbies want to socialise, they want to have fun but they also want that bit of money to try things out....I don't think many newbies would go for a premium account from the outset.

I agree...but I think it is the price to be paid for a place where so many people decide to rely on their SL income IRL. This makes them cut EVERY cost instead of treating it like a game and having employees for the fun of it.

I'd do it with my store but I don't make enough of an SL profit to justify it!

Camping has devolved into nothing more than a scam. As has been pointed out previously in this thread, one free account and four alts can do nothing but camp...and suck money.
They contribute nothing during that time but lag.
So...you want to enjoy the rich virtual world created by LL, and populated by energized, creative people...but you don't want to help pay for it?
Then I have no problem whatsoever consigning you and your avatar to the stuttering newbie dork walk of doom for all eternity.

The thing is...people CHOOSE to pay campers.

It's also funny that the camping arguement sounds like a republican arguement against welfare.

I primarily camped the first couple months I was in SL...because I wasn't so into it that I felt justified in spending money...yet. Then I started buying $L...then realized I might as well have an account and land with the amount of money I was already spending.

I don't think it's fair to blame newbies for camping and "not wanting to help pay for" SL. Sounds a bit like Reaganomics to me...

I think the shop owners out there that put up the camping are to blame...and so are the stores that don't offer camping but also don't offer newbies any alternatives like a job that pays $L180/hr.

The people that complain that their shops are being drowned out by gaming the traffic meter yet choose to keep their money all to themselves are just as guilty as the guy who puts up a box building, dance camping and resells freebies.

Why not get rid of the camping for the random sploder things?

I never see the bad girls dancefloor empty (ok sure there's other reasons why its busy! haha) I came across a cafe or something once where people sat down and it spurted out random dollars every so many seconds...

Ok I couldn't just sit down i ran away but people were interacting, having them in a club or at a sporting/music/discussion event could work. Or even if they just got a dollar now and then for visiting and checking out land. I've come across a few places that do that and it's always been a nice surprise.

Giving out items would be another good one for the newbs..

People would still visit and maybe you'd get rid of the zombies. If everyone got rid of camping and just stuck with spoders and competitions there would be no worries.

If a landowner needs zombies on their land it's a bit worrying, one place I always see in the popular section is hedonistic isle, can't say ive come across money campers on there so far?

There are already several schemes like that, including the human billboard type. They never seem to really take off though, either because of lack of advertisers, or because many campers just want to leave their avie sitting in a chair while they go about their RL business.

Some of us (me ) are incredibly shy and wouldn't do to well if we had to socialize.


Fine, make SL a subscription only game. One of the major reasons I tried out SL is because I could play it for free. I don't want to subscribe to any online game, that is why the only other online game I have signed up for is MapleStory.


Is that the thing where you pay money into it and it redistributes the pot? If that is the case, the few times I've tried it (ok, the one time I tried it) I lost money. I don't particularly need to lose what little money I get.


Are you talking about that platinum inland place? Sure it is giving out 10/10 but those 10 L$ are split between like a billion people. It would be a long time before you see a single L$ from that. You would do better to camp at a 1/10 spot.


If I could actually earn L$ for exploring the SL world I'd be so happy. ^_^ I originally wanted to explore every inch of SL I was allowed into. (There is a reason I named myself "X. Plor R." The title I use to give myself on the forums was "SL World Traveler". But then I got addicted to buying furry avatars. :/ So in order to feed my addiction I've stopped exploring and started camping...a lot. So I had to change my title since I don't exactly do any exploring anymore. It would be really great if I could explore the SL world and still be able to buy furry avatars. (Although I would hope it wouldn't take longer to get the L$ I need, right now using camping it takes me around 4-5 days do buy my next avatar.)

It seems clear to me that people like me that don't contribute content or cash to SL aren't welcome by a portion of the SL community. And you know what, that is just fine. I'll stick around for as long as I can feed my furry avatar addiction, and once that is no longer feasible I'll play other games. I'm not going to whine and piss about it. There is no point in trying to be in a place your not welcome.

--X. Plor R. Moore