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Elanthius Flagstaff
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05-30-2007 21:22
From: Argos Hawks With landbots, the entire transaction takes place faster than the human eye can register any information from the screen, and you know that. Trying to claim that landbots aren't doing anything that people can't do is nothing but a lie. It takes my bots some 5 or 6 seconds to buy a parcel. I pity anyone who's eyes are that slow.
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Dave Herbst
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05-30-2007 21:44
From: Elanthius Flagstaff It takes my bots some 5 or 6 seconds to buy a parcel. I pity anyone who's eyes are that slow. You negelcted to tell them how many search bots you use to send data to the buy bot. Disproportionate use of resources is a TOS violation, yet LL refuses to enforce it. Since the throttle, search bots have multiplied, greatly to workaround it. It's exploitive.
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Lord Steadham
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05-30-2007 22:10
From: Elanthius Flagstaff It takes my bots some 5 or 6 seconds to buy a parcel. I pity anyone who's eyes are that slow. In all my time in SL, I've only heard of a bot beating a human once. Eyes+fingers are too slow. And it's "whose" not who's, Mr. Genuis. 
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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05-30-2007 22:24
From: Dave Herbst Disproportionate use of resources is a TOS violation, yet LL refuses to enforce it. a) I have four searching bots b) My bots search quite slowly, once every 15 seconds, much slower than a human. c) I pay for those accounts. I pay a LOT of tier in general, I spend a lot in exchanging money. My usage is not disproportionate. d) LL vigorously enforces it's disproportionate use policy and several bots have been suspended in the past and at least one account (not mine) completely vanished, I suspect banned. Who'se disproportionately using resources? The guy who uses zero image downloads, sits quietly and perfectly still, requests no terrain data, never chats and simply searches once every 15 seconds while paying thousands of dollars in tier or some bling queen with 5000 tortured toruses on her head and crazy laggy scripts controlling the bling in her shoes?
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Dave Herbst
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05-30-2007 23:06
From: Elanthius Flagstaff a) I have four searching bots b) My bots search quite slowly, once every 15 seconds, much slower than a human. c) I pay for those accounts. I pay a LOT of tier in general, I spend a lot in exchanging money. My usage is not disproportionate. d) LL vigorously enforces it's disproportionate use policy and several bots have been suspended in the past and at least one account (not mine) completely vanished, I suspect banned.
Who'se disproportionately using resources? The guy who uses zero image downloads, sits quietly and perfectly still, requests no terrain data, never chats and simply searches once every 15 seconds while paying thousands of dollars in tier or some bling queen with 5000 tortured toruses on her head and crazy laggy scripts controlling the bling in her shoes? You usage is wholly disproportionate. Running four search bots is nothing less than an exploitive workaround to search throttles. On average, its less than 4 seconds, whereas anyone else is throttled at 5 seconds. Frankly, I don't trust your 15 second claim. Your tier does not exclusively nor even remotely cover the costs of maintaining a database service. Yet you have near exclusive use of the data particularily with regards to the low end land market. This so-called money exchange excuse has damaged Linden Lab profits, not increased them. At 1 dollar per exchange, when you cash out millions, I fail to see how that benefits anyone other than you. Everyone else pays the same tier fees, so a sense of entitlement is an invalid argument. So what makes you so privy to disciplinary action with regard to other bots?
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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05-30-2007 23:34
From: Dave Herbst This so-called money exchange excuse has damaged Linden Lab profits, not increased them. At 1 dollar per exchange, when you cash out millions, I fail to see how that benefits anyone other than you. Everyone else pays the same tier fees, so a sense of entitlement is an invalid argument. So what makes you so privy to disciplinary action with regard to other bots? Hahaha, why did you change your nick Weedy? Did your other one get banned? Only Weedy Herbst ever deliberately "made the mistake" that currency exchange cost USD1. In fact selling Lindens for USD costs 3.5%, quite a significant sum.
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Dave Herbst
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05-30-2007 23:35
From: Elanthius Flagstaff Who'se disproportionately using resources? The guy who uses zero image downloads, sits quietly and perfectly still, requests no terrain data, never chats and simply searches once every 15 seconds while paying thousands of dollars in tier or some bling queen with 5000 tortured toruses on her head and crazy laggy scripts controlling the bling in her shoes? Thank you for demonstrating smugness towards the marks of you exploits. These people are the source of your your ill-gotten gain, without them where you your business be, Mr. Barnum?
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Dave Herbst
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05-30-2007 23:54
From: Elanthius Flagstaff Hahaha, why did you change your nick Weedy? Did your other one get banned? Only Weedy Herbst ever deliberately "made the mistake" that currency exchange cost USD1. In fact selling Lindens for USD costs 3.5%, quite a significant sum. Weedy is my wife. I will advise you not to put her words in my mouth, lest you will find yourself reported. Personal attacks on some not posting here at present is poor way to dodge questions asked of you. It does not suprise me in the least, given my observations of your business over the past several months and the effects it has had on people. I will assure you however, you've not see the last of her.
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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05-30-2007 23:57
From: Dave Herbst Weedy is my wife. I will advise you not to put her words in my mouth, lest you will find yourself reported. LOL, I'm out.
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Dave Herbst
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05-31-2007 00:02
From: Elanthius Flagstaff LOL, I'm out. Before running off with your tail between your legs, please explain why your bots set land for sale at 2x market value, four hours after swooping mistakes and you are not online.
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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05-31-2007 00:07
From: Dave Herbst Before running off with your tail between your legs, please explain why your bots set land for sale at 2x market value, four hours after swooping mistakes and you are not online. It's good to have you back dude.
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Dave Herbst
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05-31-2007 00:11
From: Elanthius Flagstaff It's good to have you back dude. I'll take that as a "no comment" because I have never spoken to you before today. Sometimes the lack of answers, says it all. Cheers mate.
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Sling Trebuchet
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05-31-2007 02:26
From: Elanthius Flagstaff In the real world it doesn't even matter if it's fair as long as it's legal. That just about says it all! Step 2 goes: And if it's not legal, then by golly we'll lobby to make it legal.
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Lorna Languish
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05-31-2007 03:36
From: Elanthius Flagstaff a) I have four searching bots b) My bots search quite slowly, once every 15 seconds, much slower than a human. c) I pay for those accounts. I pay a LOT of tier in general, I spend a lot in exchanging money. My usage is not disproportionate. d) LL vigorously enforces it's disproportionate use policy and several bots have been suspended in the past and at least one account (not mine) completely vanished, I suspect banned.
Who'se disproportionately using resources? The guy who uses zero image downloads, sits quietly and perfectly still, requests no terrain data, never chats and simply searches once every 15 seconds while paying thousands of dollars in tier or some bling queen with 5000 tortured toruses on her head and crazy laggy scripts controlling the bling in her shoes? Let me try to be concise. The bling queen who is always off in her flashy clothes, shopping for more flashy clothes (else where would she get them?) and paying L$ to do that, and thousands like her, are what pay for SL and what fuel the economy. You, and others like you, who run bots just to exploit other's mistakes, are sharks who feed off that economy without contributing to it at all. If we had to choose whether we wanted to keep bling queens or land sharks, we'd choose the bling queens. If everyone was a bling queen, SL would thrive. If everyone was a shark, SL would die. Overnight. You complain how harsh it is to pay 3.5% on the L$ you funnel out of the economy into your RL $ bank account. I gasp in amazement. You feel SL is giving you a raw deal? Are you a lawyer IRL or something? Take Care, Lorna.
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Annabelle Vandeverre
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05-31-2007 05:27
From: Lord Steadham In all my time in SL, I've only heard of a bot beating a human once. Eyes+fingers are too slow. And it's "whose" not who's, Mr. Genuis.  I think you meant you've only heard of a human beating a bot once, right? Bots beat humans all the time. Actually I beat the bots a couple times in the early days, when it was just Elanthius running bots (I think). I must have hit the search in the interval between when his bots were searching, and TP'd over fast enough. With all the new bot runners, there's no chance of that anymore. I think the time it takes for an actual user to teleport to the location and manually press the buy buttons puts them at a big disadvantage.
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Annabelle Vandeverre
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05-31-2007 05:35
From: Lorna Languish If everyone was a bling queen, SL would thrive. If everyone was a shark, SL would die. Overnight.
Actually, if everyone was a bling queen, SL would come to a screeching halt from the massive amount of lag. Not good. But you have a good point about the sharks - they can't survive without someone to feed off.
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I am returning to my real life for personal reasons this summer. My store, $50 or less @ Annabelle's Garden and Home Decor, is now closed. Thank you to my customers for making my store successful in the short time I've been here. Get this before the bots do: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nefrax/153/156/40
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Colette Meiji
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05-31-2007 05:42
From: Annabelle Vandeverre Actually, if everyone was a bling queen, SL would come to a screeching halt from the massive amount of lag. Not good.
why do you think we have the lag we have? 
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Yumi Murakami
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05-31-2007 09:00
From: Elanthius Flagstaff Not the case at all. As I mentioned earlier there are quite literally dozens of other land traders that are large enough to have caught my eye. Some like CP Costello and JR Unknown continue on as if I don't exist. Indeed, their tier (and presumably profit) is probably an order of magnitude larger than mine. It's true that some people were ill-equipped to deal with the competition this new technique brought but I don't feel sorry for them. If you are in a business and someone legally and fairly out competes you using technology then that's just tough. In the real world it doesn't even matter if it's fair as long as it's legal. That's because the real world has certain scientific limitations. If it was discovered in the real world how to make a person super-fast and invisible, while still being able to participate in commercial transactions, it would instantly be regulated. Also, this also assumes that the technology exists within the same universe, whereas the technology of landbots doesn't exist within Second Life; they are external software. If in the real world one estate agency had a set of teleportation bracelets dropped off by an alien spaceship and was able to dominate the market because of them, then again there would be regulation, to prevent all effort in Earth's economy becoming meaningless compared to attracting attention from the aliens. Second Life has once or twice already come close to a point where people thought that way - that there is no point doing things within Second Life itself because only programming externally with Indra or Libsecondlife is meaningful (the "CopyBot strike" period being the most obvious such time). Another thing, in the real world, technology tends to have to work with technology. Your computer can tell you where the best prices on retail goods are but it can't in the real world send a robot to the shops for you - or if it does, it doesn't get there any faster than a human could. If the shop provides an online ordering system, you can order instantly, but the shop can add their own restrictions to the online ordering system. This is the same with, for example, the automated stock market. From: someone Land bots barely compete with the type of traders you describe here. Land bots compete with the type of trader many refer to as land flippers. Generally these traders hammer the search, looking for land that is obviously too cheap, then they flip it quickly for a for a few lindens. Land improvers, auctioned sim cutters, traders in waterfront, private sim owners and those with a sharp eye for valuable land are not affected one jot by land bots.
No, that isn't true. Although these types of dealers may not normally deliberately buy underpriced parcels to sell higher, that does not mean they will turn down an underpriced parcel when they can get one. The bots essentially mean they will never get one.
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