Resident ?

A little thing (?) that has been bugging me is the question - why are avs with no payment info on file classed as residents? Surely a resident is somebody who resides or lives at a place and as there is no payment info on file how can they buy/rent or otherwise live in sl? Surely they should be classed as visitors or am i just being picky ??

That one

I know someone who lives on a quarter of a sim on a private island, but has no payment info on file

I agree with Del. It may only be a little thing, but little things add up. Those of us that pay USD for the privilage of living/building/owning land in SL deserve the title "Resident".

Those that pay nada and frequent SL out of curiosity/socialising/griefing should be regarded as "Visitors".

Aspiring to be an SL Resident should be another incentive to get out of free account and into premium.

2 cents worth..........

SF

Yes "no premium account required", bet he/she pays through paypal. In which case he/she is living in rented accommodation and is paying the island owner and not LL.
Not quite the same dedication to LL as a premium resident...

Why?

I don't get all the hype about "being resident". To me, a "resident" is everybody who "is" inworld, more or less.

Also, to me the whole thing "Resident Vs. Visitors" seems the old (and stale) "Premium Vs. Freeloaders" and I had enough of that...

Same c**p, different thread.....

Premium account ONLY gives you the added right to purchase land direct from LL... nothing more... Dedication isnt measured in money...

It's a bit like saying that those who rent properties in a city, shouldn't have the same rights of access as those that buy them. The same money is still being paid and ending up in the same place, LL.

More and more people are opting for island living over mainland mess. Surely the tier fees being collected for islands is less of a strain on LL than having to deal with each mainland parcel.

And with the benefits of being Premium apperaing to be next to Zero currently, some are downgrading their memberships. Should they lose their Resident status? Also, some NO Payment Infos are Alts of Premium members. So that opens up another can of worms.

Still I can only object to that. Premium residents do not have to have a higher dedication than basic members with payment info.
I am using SL for 3-4 hours a day (I have a private life and work. Can't afford more) and spend quite some money each month - probably more than for most MMORPGs - in SL, without having a premium account.

Go figure.

technically you could earn all the money you need to pay rent and buy clothes from camping.

heck, you could even start and run a successful business without ever having payment info on file (simply by renting all land and cashing out using SLexchange there bypassing ever needing to give payment info to LL).

simply put, a person without payment info on file can offer the world as much as someone with it. If they run a business they could even be contributing more than premium members if they rent enough land (LL still gets the tier money from landowner).

By the way i have payment info on file, this is just my 2 lindens worth

The noun resident in Collins English Dictionary: one who resides in a place.
SecondLife is a place just as much as a virtual condo or mansion. One can be resident in a community. Those who spend their time in SL socialising in my mind can be more resident than some who banline their houses in a futile attempt at privacy.

Like someone has already said .. same s**t, different thread.

edit: more eloquently put Rocketman .. nice

If you buy $50 worth of L$, LL gets 30 cents for the transaction and the rest goes to another resident cashing out.
If you rent at $50/month, LL probably sees $25 or less of that money, the rest goes to the sim owner.
If you spent $50 on tier, LL gets the full $50.

Or you could turn it around and point out that without the $50 spent shopping, store-owners couldn't cash out to meet their tier, but then that makes business owners the freebie accounts and none of them are too happy with that approach.

I think it was a fair question to ask. I agree that a Resident should be classed as a "paying citizen" of SL. I have been here for a while now and I am am sure I will annoy many who consider that they have equal rights to me but who are basically (as we used to call them) FREELOADERS. I might add that I regularly ban many of these people from my land when they try and build on it since they think that everything is free here. I think they must be the type of people who "test" supermarket food by picking up the occasional strawb. or peanut as they cruise the aisles.

Tut Tut Bilbo... I wouldn't be so crass as to use language such as s**t... I said c**p lol

Boys, boys *shakes head* Mind your language, there are ladies present!

Mandy C

After watching this debate since the first free accounts more than a year ago I have come to a conclusion. Some people just feel the need to be superior to others. I am beginning to think its human nature.

Before free accounts there were still classes of people. Just not so neatly and publicly divided. At the top of the heap were the large land owners, scripters, and first players. Now its payment status. LL's real mistake was ever listing anyones payment status in profile at all. All that did was galvanize those with a need to say "me first", or "gimme special treatment", or "I am better than you are" an easy and obvious target.

We had griefers 3 years ago, intolerance, prim litter, high land prices, a dying assett server, lag and all the other things that folks point the blame at no payment people for. Guess what? 3 years ago everyone was paid. The only thing that has changed is the size of the SL world both in population and number of sims.

About half my family in game is payment info used, the rest are either payment on file or no payment info. They are all productive and helpful members of SL.

Payment info means nothing, just as skin color means nothing, or nationality, or gender, or sexual orientation. There are good folks and bad folks in every group. Associate with the good, cope with the bad and live your SL.

I agree it was a fair question to ask Jig. Some of us have answered.
It's LLs baby so if they want to use the context of 'existing within SL' as being 'resident' then I for one say, let them
My point is that SL is among other things, a community. Some of my best friends don't have payment details. It doesn't mean they're not puting anything into SL?

edit: yes, sorry AWM for misquoting you .. not s..t .. but c..p

there are successful business people in Second Life who haven't bought a single Linden, but through talent and creativity have earned enough to buy and rent land (for shops and/or recreation) on private estates and still cash out real dollars as well.
absolutely. the superiority complex definitely exists.

What we really need is more ways to make people feel unwelcome and divide the community more.

nearly 1 in 1000 accounts ever created are premium. Seems reasonable we should call them the residents and everyone else (the majority) Visitor.


Im not sure how many are unverified - Probably only Millions of accounts. So they matter even less.



*hint - the above post was sarcastic*

I am bemused by the comment 'Paying Citizen' used to distinguish people into either or... the or being classed as 'FREELOADERS'... does the fact I paid a lifetime membership years ago, have traded over 1 million L$'s ingame, never taken a single penny/dime out if the game, bought and paid for land in sl, pay teir, buy goods and services within SL, paid USD for L$'s to use ingame, spending 1,000's of USD to support my activities in SL, yet because they have withdrawn that LifeTime membership status and 'downgraded' my account to a 'freeloaders' account, count for anything?
I can assure you, I am by no means the only account in SL with that same senerio. But by your standards, I am not a resident?
FYI... I consider myself and anyone who contributes to SL in a positive way, Premium, free, or no info on file, to be a member of the SL community without distinction...

Well, since non-premium (I'm one of them) are the vast majority here, they should own the place and the premium elite should be confined into a group of islands where they can be alone

/me adds to sarcasm

Honestly speaking, this is silly. Everybody around here is a SL resident. Then there are the good ones and the bad ones. No more, no less.

Knowing your reputation around these parts lately, I'd put up a few more Sarcasm emoticoms if I were you.

Not my reputation - my ARGUMENT's reputation

Evidently my Argument is a real bitch.