SL LUG 7th June : Meeting Karen Linden

Sorry for disgressing again, ninjafoo I swear I'll be good now


Please read the forum more closely, especially this thread: /263/9d/92387/1.html


Streaming sound has never been a problem, the stream URL is clearly shown in the debug output. The regular sound effects in-world are the problem.


Everyone who knows how to work with gdb will be able to write a script like that in a minute. Disassembling for bugfix purposes will probably not be seen as a hostile act against Second Life, so the Lindens will not sue you for that They even actively support the reverse engeneering team working on libsecondlife.so


Sounds like a good idea.


http://stux.wikiinfo.org/

Sorry for the OT post again, but Zi Ree, how is this done? What do I need to look for. I am sure I have missed something. I can see the url for video streams but not audio streams...

Once I can track down these audio streams I will write a little GUI launcher for SL to choose audio stream on-off and play it thru xmms or beep-media-player.

One VERY good point that has been made here in the forums, and I want to reiterate it:

We can get addtional debug data for LL using gdb for example.

a) Is this useful?

b) Where should we send it?

c) Can we get some sort of status on the Linux Alpha Client? A blog would be OK

d) Many people much more talented than I have VERY good pointers to solutions to some Linux Alpha Client problems; are these useful to LL? Where should they be sent?

e) Will we get acknowldegements to Bug Reports, like we do on preview? Milo always replies to a bug report, with either a confirmation, or "I cannot duplicate this" mails.

f) Will we get a preview client? This seems to be a time when bugs are examined more exactly, and would help a LOT to confirm to the Linux Alpha Users that we ARE part of SL, and not a Rogue Abberation It would (if it was part of the preview process) prevent the shock discovery, "I cannot log in at ALL any more", on Release Day. We would already know in preview

That's about it for now; the "Bugs" listed in the original post (sound, upload, etc etc) should be part of Karen's personal address to us.

I dream of Beta Days

Here is another question:

Would it be possible to list the Linux bugs that have been fixed somewhere?

I noticed that the keys for movement now work (ASDW) but AFAIK this was not mentioned in any release notes.

I went looking in the debug output as well and found no URL's for audio streams. And I have deffinately been looking.

Streaming audio enabled in preferences, in an area with an audio URL, nothing in the logs.

Concerning gdb dumps, I fear that the fact of the matter is that anyone at LL who would be in a position to make any fixes pertaining to gdb dumps would be entirely capable of getting those dumps themselves (on builds with much better debug info, no less) if they were inclined, especially given the near-universality of the bug in this case.

I've been doing the same. It does show in the windows client debug under wine when play is pressed, but since the play button does not appear in the native linux client, this is not going to work.

Oh and Kick Madonna does still exist (I have checked in game today but he was not online) I am not sure how his program worked though, because none of the LSL functions give access to the audio url AFAIK.

Was thinking, we might want to start using SecondTux for tracking the unique information about the various known bugs and such in the client. I just triggered yet another unique crash when trying to get the client to do anything with local audio to see if I could get a URL. Sort of dawns on me that as of recent there is more repetition going on, and a bit of out dated info. Would be kinda nice to isolate all these onto the wiki and point people at all the known info there.

The forums are cute and all for discussion, but they tend to be horrible for any sort of long-term semi-permanant data. Even sticky threads end up burried in follow up posts.

This might have been mentioned in another thread, but this is supposed to be the "questions for Karen Linden" thread!

If LL are so keen for us to test this alpha client then we need some better way of submitting and tracking bug reports. Currently there are several threads all with odd collections of different/similar bugs in them and no way to determine what (if anything) is happening to them or if they are being collected by anybody in development. It's also unclear which bugs apply to which releases.

So the question is "can we have some sort of bug-tracking system?". I'm not expecting a full-blown bugzilla here (though it would be nice!), but at least some central form of web-page that lists reported bugs and when they have been fixed. For this to happen we also need some way to submit them - unless someone from LL is also monitoring all the threads in here.

It might stop people mentioning the same thing over and over in different threads.

Ok, the following list of questions has been sent to Karen Linden

- General information politics: How can we improve communication between LL and the Linux client users?
Will we get acknowldegements to Bug Reports?
Can we get the Linux Client into the Release Notes? (Even if there was no bug fixing done)
Would it be possible to list (change log) the Linux bugs that have been fixed?
Someone at LL to be a designated liason, present on the forums and able to answer questions and keep everybody upto date with the status of the Linux client.

- What can the community do to assist LL with the Linux Client?
Anything we can do besides submitting bug reports?
Will data gathered using gdb be helpful? (if so, where do we send it)
Are pointers to solutions to some Linux Alpha Client problems useful to LL?

- Will we get a preview client?
This seems to be a time when bugs are examined more exactly, and would help a LOT to confirm to the Linux Alpha Users that we ARE part of SL propper. It would (if it was part of the preview process) prevent the shock discovery, "I cannot log in at ALL any more", on Release Day.

- If we would agree to sign an NDA and don't charge money, would LL let one/some of us work on the client/fix bugs on a volunteer basis? If not, why not?

- What about the line break bug? Sounds like a one-minute fix. Please do it!

- Would Karen agree to spend one day as a Linux client user (with all community support we can give)?

- Who is working on the Linux client now, and how much time is being put in (hours/week)?

- Is LL open to being sent a remastered "LiveCD" of, say, Ubuntu/Kubuntu or Knoppix that allows testing of the Linux client w/o dedicating PC to Linux?

- Any idea as to when we can expect some of the missing features (such as sound) implemented?

- Will one of the Linux Client users be invited to Second Life Views?

I like the concept of a bug database, yet I'm pretty sure it will not stop people from asking here
We could use it to point them to the correct bug database entry, though. I'd be able to set up a system like that myself, but of course I can't update the status of a bug, unless a Linden tells us, they're working on it.