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Angel Sunset
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04-04-2006 23:41
1.9.0(21) Second Life restart, rolling update and new optional viewer, Wednesday April 5, 2006

Here we go again! :D

Hold onto your seats, everyone!
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ninjafoo Ng
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04-05-2006 04:06
Crosses fingers :D
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Zi Ree
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04-05-2006 04:35
Actually I'm quite confident that we will get a new version quickly. It seems like the bug fixes were all in the main codebase and can be ported by recompiling. Would be great to have the new features on Linux soon :)
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Karen Linden
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Join date: 25 Jul 2005
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04-05-2006 06:58
The 1.9.0(21) linux alpha has been built, just not really tested yet. That will happen today, as will the subsequent release.

No new features yet -- we're just trying to keep up with changes in 1.9.0!
Sirex Cookie
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Join date: 29 Jan 2006
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04-05-2006 07:29
er. can we test the alpha for you ?

i mean, it is alpha ;-)
Angel Sunset
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whoot!
04-05-2006 07:47
:D
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ninjafoo Ng
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04-05-2006 07:47
alpha alpha testers ?
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Karen Linden
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04-05-2006 08:06
I can just post it now....but no one has really tried it much yet, except for installing. Have fun!
Drake Bacon
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04-05-2006 09:04
May I suggest a Gentoo-like process -- if a release isn't quite stable, let us know and post a thread about it asking us to test it. We'll post our system specs and say if it's good or not. If it's overall good, you can post the release as stable.
Vinci Calamari
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04-05-2006 09:12
From: Karen Linden
I can just post it now....but no one has really tried it much yet, except for installing. Have fun!


I am running it. I have no problems, yet.

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Zi Ree
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04-05-2006 09:30
From: Karen Linden
I can just post it now....but no one has really tried it much yet, except for installing. Have fun!

Karen, you're the best! :D
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Sirex Cookie
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04-05-2006 09:37
From: Karen Linden
I can just post it now....but no one has really tried it much yet, except for installing. Have fun!


nice one. :-)

if there were any trouble, im sure it'd be quicker to track down on a larger test bed anyhow.
Zi Ree
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04-05-2006 09:53
First observation: runs smoothly, "Build" button still gets selected on focus-loss, *but* returns to old state much more often now. :)
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Jabador Jimador
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Join date: 28 Sep 2005
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04-05-2006 11:30
Had some hardware problems in the old client, would suddenly use all my ram, and freeze up the computer - sometimes crashing - sometimes having to hard reboot...
After downloading the newest client my experience is that this happens A LOT... much more frequent than before.
Happened 4 or 5 times in 30minutes, had to hard reboot 2 times.
Does anybody have an idea what might be causing this problem?
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Theora Aquitaine
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04-05-2006 11:44
From: someone

Had some hardware problems in the old client, would suddenly use all my ram, and freeze up the computer - sometimes crashing - sometimes having to hard reboot...
After downloading the newest client my experience is that this happens A LOT... much more frequent than before.
Happened 4 or 5 times in 30minutes, had to hard reboot 2 times.
Does anybody have an idea what might be causing this problem?


Not seen anything like this.

Bad RAM? Overheating GPU or CPU? Some hardware anomaly?

You could try reinstalling your graphics drivers, but I doubt it will help.

You could try updating your kernel (this is more likely to work, but will not help with bad RAM or Overheating problems). I had some nasty lockups with the nforce2 based motherboard (not with SL) but I think all those problems have been fixed for some time in the 2.6 kernel.

Any error messages? Any kernel panic messages?? Care to post your hardware?
Jabador Jimador
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04-05-2006 11:51
From: Theora Aquitaine
You could try reinstalling your graphics drivers, but I doubt it will help.

Am running a freshly installed FC5, should have the newest graphics drivers.

Will try to update the kernel, am running yum while typing this.
No kernel panic, no error messages, just instant freeze.

Hardware:
Asus P4S800D Motherboard
Intel P4 2.8GHz
2x256MB (Kingston?) Dual Channel RAM
nVIDIA GeForce2 MX400 128MB graphics card (yes i know it's old)
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Angel Sunset
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04-05-2006 12:12
In playing with overclocking on my graphic card and cpu, I had crashes from SL. But they were not associated with 100% CPU usage, and the disk going mad.

I HAVE had that too, though... RIGHT at the beginning of my testing SL Linux Alpha. I can't remember what I did to make it vanish, though...

What was happening is that SL was using IMMENSE amounts of memory, which eventually filled swap, and then the computer stopped :p It hasn't happened since then, though.

Overclocking the Graphic Card gave shadows and artifacts; overclocking the CPU gave a dead freeze of the whole system.

--- EDIT ---

Found it!

/263/c0/85763/1.html#post874517

It was an Inventory Search problem, which seems to be gone now.

A tip for searching inventory is to press "shift" (or alt or ctrl, I think) before entering your search word.

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Jabador Jimador
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04-05-2006 15:01
not the search thing... was just sitting last time it happened, actually watching a wedding *pouts*

Oh well.. have done a yum update, and ordered a new graphics card :P

Will check back with the results
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Sirex Cookie
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04-05-2006 16:19
From: Jabador Jimador
Oh well.. have done a yum update, and ordered a new graphics card


can yum do all that ?! wow. blows apt out of the water.

i tryed "apt-get update" and ducked, but i dont see any new hardware flying my way.

bummer ;-(
Jabador Jimador
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04-06-2006 00:56
Nah... Not yet...
But thought, the graphics card was ooold... so might as well upgrade it... It's only $235
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Angel Sunset
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04-06-2006 02:09
The NVidia 6800 GS is what I am looking to get soon.

Wish I had $325 for a card, though :D
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ninjafoo Ng
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04-06-2006 02:18
From: Angel Sunset
The NVidia 6800 GS is what I am looking to get soon.

I have a Asus v9999 nvidia 6800 GT (the only 6800 class card that would fit in my shuttle box at the time), very nice card :)
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Zi Ree
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04-06-2006 02:26
Hm ..

Had three lockups of the Windows client running under wine yesterday. Linux client went along fine. I will try again today, but as it freezes my complete X session I won't do too much testing this time, I'm afraid.
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Theora Aquitaine
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04-06-2006 03:08
From: Jabador Jimador
Nah... Not yet...
But thought, the graphics card was ooold... so might as well upgrade it... It's only $235


Wow.. that's expensive!

Hope it helps !!

In the meantime, I have had some other thoughts (based mostly on others commments):

you could try swapping out your RAM (if you have more than one stick) to see if one of the sticks is bad, or alternatively run memtest.

If you have sensors installed, you could write a little script to write your CPU temp to the disk and sync the disk at regular intervals to see if the CPU gets hot during SL.

How much space is free where /tmp is mounted? Does it get full? You could add a df to the same script to check on this..

Presumably you don't have lockups with other 3D games on the same computer?

Oh, and you are running the native client not wine?
ninjafoo Ng
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04-06-2006 03:17
From: Theora Aquitaine
If you have sensors installed, you could write a little script to write your CPU temp to the disk and sync the disk at regular intervals to see if the CPU gets hot during SL.

Simpler option is to run your PC with the lid off, that way you can see if all the fans are running as they should, you can verify the CPU & GPU heatsinks are getting warm (a cold heatsink is bad). Your box will run cooler with the lid off anyway.
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