the mentor is a griefer.

I'd like to draw attention to this thread
/327/35/218455/1.html#post1727276

As a resident I'm appalled at the actions of this Mentor.

I call for a reprimand, and an apology to the community.

I took a quick read through that thread... As others have mentioned, you have every right to file an Abuse Report, just as you would if it was any non-Mentor resident.

Mentors are not "higher-ranked" residents. We do not receive special training... we do not receive special privileges... we are not granted special powers or authorities... (aside from access to the newbie Orientation and Help islands).

As one might expect, the SL volunteer corps consists of a wide range of individuals, with a wide range of interests, ideas and behaviors.

Yes, it's unfortunate that someone who applies and is accepted as a Volunteer (presumably out of a desire to help) would also end up creating a griefer-type object.

So... report the object and the actions of this person as Abuse, if you so desire.

Don

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Aww Whispering..were you hurt by it? Were you mentally and physically hurt so that you couldn't work? Can you prove without a shadow of a doubt that you need to be compensated for your loss? If not, get over it. Some believe Secondlife is a game.. deal! This public person says the mentor owes me nothing. You on the other hand, need to move along little one and figure out what is important in life.

Jeez...that was condascending.

Strife closed the other thread. I think that's unfortunate, because I think it IS reasonable to get other residents' opinions on what constitutes acceptable behavior in SL.

The question is: is it acceptable to intentionally leave an annoying object in a sandbox?

IMHO, well, no, it's not, but it happens all the time, and we shouldn't get too upset about it. The person responsible showed very poor judgement. He or she apparently made an object that when clicked, causes you to sit and deforms your avatar, requiring a relog to fix. He or she then distributed this in a number of sandboxes -- if I understand it correctly, some weapons testing, some not. And when asked why, the reponse was allegedly "to teach people not to click on things in sandboxes". Sheesh.

I think I'd file an AR on finding such an object. As someone else mentioned, I occasionally click anywhere to change GUI mode, without paying as much attention as I should on where I'm clicking. (Oops, sorry about your xcite, ma'am!)

But it's not what I'd call a capital crime, especially in a weapons testing area, and the object does look like a stack of nukes which is a clue they might not be friendly. Just poor judgement -- especially if it's true that he littered many sandboxes, for the silly reason of trying to teach a lesson. (The better way to learn such lessons is the REAL way. This attempt merely exacerbates the problem that clicking on things in a sandbox might cause you some grief.)

Several people posted that it's OK to test weapons in weapons-testing sims. OK, fine. But does anyone here really encourage leaving annoying objects around, on purpose? Especially, for such a silly reason as "teaching lessons"? Not me.

As grief goes, it's a very minor case. There's an easy way to avoid it once you've discovered the issue. More of a "fool trap" than serious griefing. (I admit it, I'm a fool, I'd be trapped -- but only once.)

Whispering, if you REALLY expect an apology, or a reprimand (from whom? LL?), well, I think you're being unrealistic. LL might respond to the abuse report by cautioning the offender not to leave the object around in the future, but the list of ARs is long; objects disappear from sandboxes automatically; and the likelihood that they'll even have anything to investigate by the time they get around to it may be small. Don't pin any high hopes on your expectations.

The fact that the person is in the mentor group is pretty much irrelevant, IMHO, other than the irony.

OP is OBSESSED
http://forums.secondlife.com/showpost.php?p=1728449&postcount=26

You'll not find a better way to get Strife's negative attention than to argue moderation activity on a thread about the same subject as one already closed.

Personally, I like to concentrate on new stupid actions; it isn't like there is a shortage of them.

IBTL.

LMAO. Thank you Whispering for the biggest laugh of the day. An apology to the community? Why don't you apologize to the community for being an ass. Get on with your life and quit being such a drama queen.

Thanx, I sometimes wish more people would speak their minds Much appreciated!!

Actually, whilst I do not exactly consider myself a sensitive flower in SL, I am a bit annoyed at this sort of use of the WTS. Not that it is anything new.

Basically, the history behind the WTS is this: weapons were banned in official sandboxes, even for testing, because idiots were using them simply to attack other people. So, in supposed reaction to the complaints of people who wished to actually build and test weapons perfectly innocently and not by annoying anyone else, the Weapons Testing Sandbox was created.

There are rules as to what can and can't be done. However, those rules are ignored, because what it is is basically a "griefer sink" - people who want to shoot each other are directed to this sandbox. I have seen full-scale sim-destroying battles there, multiple badly-coded nonphys vehicles, lagging weapons, with no concern for anyone else, and reports are not listened to, or at least were not when I was last there which was (as you can imagine) a while ago. It was basically a non-damage Rausch. Actually, in Rausch, I used to get more peace, as there were fewer people around and one can obtain some respect and be left alone if one has the capabilities, rather than being lagged to death.

So, people who use the WTS for comedy antics annoy me, and I am sure that I am not the only sane weapons developer feeling that way. Mentors who play stupid tricks on new residents also annoy me; if you wish to play stupid tricks, perhaps being a mentor is not appropriate for you.

You won't get one (and "apology to the community" sounds rather precious, if you ask me).

Enough ARs of the person concerned and they _might_ be expelled as a mentor, but that is about it.

The mentor program has been a joke for a while now and it is not much of a secret.

Wait.. is this the same issue I read the other day about nukes at a weapons sandbox that the OP SAT on and her av was deformed?

Dude... seriously... you ACTUALLY SAT ON A NUKE. Get over it.

I for one wanna know the name of this mentor... so I can go shake his hand. Darwinism at work. God I love it.

Now THAT was a concise summary of the original thread....

I give up. No point trying to carry on a civil conversation here, I guess.

No, quite. What is the point when everything is met with "ha ha n00b deserved what they got" and that is seen as appropriate for _mentors_?

A person making weapons and testing them out in the Weapons Testing Sandbox does not a griefer make, Whispering.

If you're not sure what an object does, inspect it first by right clicking and looking at the properties.

As a general rule, be /very/ careful what you click on. You can get in alot of trouble for that as you find your way through SL.

I am terribly terribly disappointed that things have gotten out of hand on this matter. Not just on the side of the mentor who rezzed this object either.


Sure we pie each other occasionally as mentors. But the point is, it is supposed to be good natured fun, consensual on both sides of the pie.

As a official Second Life Mentor, I like to pride myself on either knowing what I know very well, or knowing someone who knows what I don't very well, and knowing when someone genuinely needs a hand to understand the world.

It is not much, but if I do not stand for something when I wear the tag or not, I will fall for anything. That has some significant costs and consequences, not necessarily in financial terms either.

I would urge Whispering to submit a abuse report or support ticket on the matter and allow the VTeam to conduct their investigation of the matter in due confidence, and take actions as they deem fair and appropriate. I do not believe that this conversation needs to continue given that you have already pointed out that this happened. While piling on pressure is a tactic, it may not necessarily be one that produces a fair and just outcome. There is a reason why judges muffle the media significantly in cases where possible outcomes can result in significant changes to a person's life - the same reasoning applies here, I believe

DISCLAIMER: At the time of this posting, I post as my own person. any disagreements or disjars between my opinions and those of Linden Labs, the official SL Mentors are a matter of me thinking on my own about things. As anyone should. honestly.

Actually a civil conversation did take place but it was beaten to death and became inflammatory by the OP. That's why she create a new thread.

Pathetic.

coco

Agreed.

coco

True, but beside the point since that's not what happened here.

No, it isn't. It's precisely what happened here. She has changed her story over time after the negative feedback came in, but this is the way it started out in the thread that Strife had to close down after she got out of hand.

The forums are not the venue for dispute resolution.

Source: AR
Action: Lock
Reasons: Cross-Posting, Private Discussion



This is not a case of reposting, when this thread was posted the other thread was still open.