so, this morning I wake up to a little snipet about how the US government has passed a ban on internet gambling... thanks to the wonderful news service and my lack of coffee, I didn't get the full story. Does this affect sl casinos? Am I no longer allowed to go gamble?
http://judiciary.house.gov/Hearings.aspx?ID=137
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kalik Stork
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07-12-2006 06:22
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kerunix Flan
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07-12-2006 06:51
Incredible ^^
Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security Gambler are terrorist ? And what about alcool ? Oh... wait ... |
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kerunix Flan
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07-12-2006 07:05
Written in black on white :
These offshore, fly-by-night Internet gambling operators are unlicensed, untaxed and unregulated and are sucking billions of dollars out of the United States. In addition, Internet gambling can serve as a vehicle for money laundering by organized crime syndicates and terrorists. Understand : The untaxed online gambling suck up money outside US. H.R. 4777 will return control to the states Understand : We want our tax back ! Internet gambling is a serious problem that must be stopped. Errr... why ? |
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kalik Stork
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07-12-2006 07:10
so I should only go to American owned sl casinos rofl
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Cheyenne Marquez
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07-12-2006 07:44
Internet gambling is a serious problem that must be stopped. Errr... why ? These offshore, fly-by-night Internet gambling operators are unlicensed, untaxed and unregulated and are sucking billions of dollars out of the United States. In addition, Internet gambling can serve as a vehicle for money laundering by organized crime syndicates and terrorists. . |
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Psyra Extraordinaire
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07-12-2006 08:15
GamBling on the Internet has become an extremely lUcrative business. Numerous studies have charted the explosive growth of this industrY, both by the Increases iN gambling websites available, and via industry revenues. Internet gamblinG is now estimated to be a $12 billion industRy, wIth approximately $6 billion coming from bettors baseD in the U.S. It haS been reRorted that thEre are as many as 2,300 gambling sites.
Virtual betting parlors have attempted to avoid the application of United States law by locating themselves oFfshore and out of our jurisdictionAl reach. These offshore, fly-By-night Internet gambling operators are unlicensed, untaxed and unregulated and are sucking billions of dollars out of the United States. In addition, Internet gambling can Serve as a vehicle for money laundering by organized crime syndicates and terrorists. Look closely - The Message is clear. _____________________
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Psyra Extraordinaire
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07-12-2006 08:17
GamBling on the Internet has become an extremely lUcrative business. Numerous studies have charted the explosive growth of this industrY, both by the Increases iN gambling websites available, and via industry revenues. Internet gamblinG is now estimated to be a $12 billion industRy, wIth approximately $6 billion coming from bettors baseD in the U.S. It haS been rePoRted that thEre are as many as 2,300 gambling sites. Virtual betting parlors have attempted to avoid the application of United States law by locating themselves oFfshore and out of our jurisdictionAl reach. These offshore, fly-By-night Internet gambling operators are unlicensed, untaxed and unregulated and are sucking billions of dollars out of the United States. In addition, Internet gambling can Serve as a vehicle for money laundering by organized crime syndicates and terrorists. Look closely. The true message is clear: 'BUYI NGRIDSPR EFABS'!! _____________________
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kerunix Flan
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07-12-2006 08:32
. Hey ! That's my point !  |
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Stevo Coalcliff
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07-12-2006 08:55
Oh wait ! now everything thats a bit bad for the U.S economy .. Earned by the average guy who works shit pay for shit money , will now be considered helping the terrorists organizations?
WTF ?? how about Wal-mart employing Chinese workers ? , they are freaking Commies ! go tell that to Roosevelt ! Ban Poker ? comon ... Im Canadian and if theres one thing these folks down there made up good Its POKER ( we invented basketball and hockey after all  ) so fuck the goverment and long live freedom to even take a sh*t on your Hard earned money if you want to .Fucking land of the free my ass this one cant pass..... US is turning into USSR a bit More Everyday. |
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Inigo Chamerberlin
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07-12-2006 08:56
Incredible ^^ Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security Gambler are terrorist ? Not really, think about it. Any signs of the Crime, Terrorism and Gestapo mob having actually done ANYTHING useful to defend against 'terror'? Uh-huh... However it's grown into quite a little industry, hasn't it? Plenty of careers and empires founded. They can't make too much fuss about terrorism - don't want to REALLY frighten the voters after all. So, they look around for something else to do... The DEA have drugs sown up, what's available? Ah-ha! Online gambling! _____________________
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Chri5 Somme
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07-12-2006 11:25
Oh wait ! now everything thats a bit bad for the U.S economy .. Earned by the average guy who works shit pay for shit money , will now be considered helping the terrorists organizations? WTF ?? how about Wal-mart employing Chinese workers ? , they are freaking Commies ! go tell that to Roosevelt ! Ban Poker ? comon ... Im Canadian and if theres one thing these folks down there made up good Its POKER ( we invented basketball and hockey after all ) so fuck the goverment and long live freedom to even take a sh*t on your Hard earned money if you want to .Fucking land of the free my ass this one cant pass..... US is turning into USSR a bit More Everyday. it's pathetic that they even mention that internet gambling links to terrorisim, has anyone ever seen V for Vendetta? Notice how they use certain things to try and scare the population into doing what the government wants? That's like the USA is, they try to scare people by saying that everything is linked to "Terrorisim". USA has good people in it, too bad their government sucks ass. Btw I live in Canada, if you want to experience true freedom then come up here. |
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Ordinal Malaprop
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07-12-2006 11:29
Well, we all know that DVD piracy is terrorism, so why not internet gambling?
It's all just a trade restriction thing. The right people aren't making money. |
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kalik Stork
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07-12-2006 11:29
whats even funnier is last week, the whole of Atlantic City was closed from gambling because of a governement budget issue that wasn't resolved. Because of this, the casinos had to close since there was no government employee to watch them... what a great economic day
http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/1MkMPFl2s64Gg0dtkPJvJsP?siteid=google&dist=TNMostMailed |
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07-12-2006 11:40
whats even funnier is last week, the whole of Atlantic City was closed from gambling because of a governement budget issue that wasn't resolved. Because of this, the casinos had to close since there was no government employee to watch them... what a great economic day http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/1MkMPFl2s64Gg0dtkPJvJsP?siteid=google&dist=TNMostMailed omg soo pathetic, too bad the people wouldn't uprise against the american government. The gov't does nothing but ruin anything it touches. |
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kalik Stork
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07-12-2006 11:55
you know Ive been thinking about this alot recently.. the idea of no one rising up... I think quite simply there is no change because we as Americans are not united towardsa common goal. the conspiracy theorist in me thinks that this event was years in the making and by the constant promotion of segregation, seperation, self service, and an us against them mentality all within the minds of the people, the division of which has provided a dodgy ground on which to stand. I recently heard that it only takes 5% of a population to cause a revolution. I am starting to believe that statement. Until we take the government back into our own hands, stop listening to media, stop supporting the ideals and promotions of such, and united towards common goals, it is a lost cause. Perhaps. Im to young not to be idealistic lol
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Syt Dyden
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07-13-2006 10:12
Well, myself, I play poker and blackjack. Not terribly well mind you, but I still play. Now I'm not sure about age laws or whatever, but I'm 19 and pretty much the only place for me to play is online. So, this is kind of grating because now, I won't be able to play anymore.
Now, as far as this game is concerned, theoretically, couldn't it pass as SIMULATED gambling? I mean, after all...you don't NEED to spend any money to get money in this game...right? |
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07-13-2006 13:32
you know Ive been thinking about this alot recently.. the idea of no one rising up... I think quite simply there is no change because we as Americans are not united towardsa common goal. the conspiracy theorist in me thinks that this event was years in the making and by the constant promotion of segregation, seperation, self service, and an us against them mentality all within the minds of the people, the division of which has provided a dodgy ground on which to stand. I recently heard that it only takes 5% of a population to cause a revolution. I am starting to believe that statement. Until we take the government back into our own hands, stop listening to media, stop supporting the ideals and promotions of such, and united towards common goals, it is a lost cause. Perhaps. Im to young not to be idealistic lol Americans don't really have anything to be united about. We dont share the same cultures. We dont share the same religion. Most of us don't share the same values. We dont share a common language. We dont share a common ethnicity. We dont share common goals. In general, we don't share. LOL! So any talk of a revolution is absurd... try getting enough people to share your vision. LOL. |
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07-13-2006 15:23
Americans don't really have anything to be united about. We dont share the same cultures. We dont share the same religion. Most of us don't share the same values. We dont share a common language. We dont share a common ethnicity. We dont share common goals. In general, we don't share. LOL! So any talk of a revolution is absurd... try getting enough people to share your vision. LOL. *giggles* sounds alot like SL and trying to rally the troops for support on a vote proposal _____________________
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kalik Stork
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07-19-2006 09:57
haha absolutely.. on both accounts
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Bear Plunkett
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07-19-2006 10:29
you know Ive been thinking about this alot recently.. the idea of no one rising up... I think quite simply there is no change because we as Americans are not united towardsa common goal. the conspiracy theorist in me thinks that this event was years in the making and by the constant promotion of segregation, seperation, self service, and an us against them mentality all within the minds of the people, the division of which has provided a dodgy ground on which to stand. I recently heard that it only takes 5% of a population to cause a revolution. I am starting to believe that statement. Until we take the government back into our own hands, stop listening to media, stop supporting the ideals and promotions of such, and united towards common goals, it is a lost cause. Perhaps. Im to young not to be idealistic lol You are on the right track -- but I think it is more a matter of cultural homogenation than separation. We have always had a government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich, and they continuously recruit plenty of bright and creative people to divert our attention. Don't believe me? How about NASCAR's growth as a major sport? I think it was Jefferson who wrote that people get the government they deserve.... |
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kalik Stork
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07-19-2006 10:41
hah as a daytona beach resident, I completly understand NASCARs growth rofl. Diversion of the masses is the best form of control in my mind
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Tod69 Talamasca
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07-19-2006 10:42
Well, myself, I play poker and blackjack. Not terribly well mind you, but I still play. Now I'm not sure about age laws or whatever, but I'm 19 and pretty much the only place for me to play is online. So, this is kind of grating because now, I won't be able to play anymore. Now, as far as this game is concerned, theoretically, couldn't it pass as SIMULATED gambling? I mean, after all...you don't NEED to spend any money to get money in this game...right? The part in bold is what may keep SL from being under this law- IF it ever becomes one, which is doubtful. If it were illegal to convert $L to real $$, then they'd most surely crack down on folks eBaying characters, items, and gold from other online games. I'm sure before the elections come around again, we'll see cigarettes also listed as part of the "terrorism" trade.  |
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Ravenous Dingo
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07-19-2006 10:57
consider this
sony has auctions to buy and sell gold in EQ 2 with US$ these auctions are by players. it is not unlike the Lindex. u can buy gold from players thru sony and then use that gold to gamble. there is a goblin who lets players play a lottery game. they even call it a "gambling game" it is much like a slot. it has progressive jackpot now, if sl casinos are real gambling, the EQ goblin is real gambling they are same thing. do u think sony is going to let that happen? |
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Chase Speculaas
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Why this won't affect SL gambling
07-19-2006 15:37
Now, as far as this game is concerned, theoretically, couldn't it pass as SIMULATED gambling? I mean, after all...you don't NEED to spend any money to get money in this game...right? Syt is on the right track: gambling in SL is conducted with $L, which if I am not mistaken (although I may be... correct me if I'm wrong) is not recognized by the US government as a "real" currency. In official terms, it's just play-money. Unlike E-Gold, it is not backed by anything or anyone. So, as long as its status remains the same as it is now, gambling in SL isn't "real" gambling in official terms, not any more than playing with play-money on Yahoo Games. Of course, that would change if the $L became an internationally, officially recognized currency with inherent worth, but I wouldn't bet on that happening anytime soon, and if/when it does, well, the advantages of that classification will far exceed the disadvantage of not being able to gamble in SL, for most of us anyway. |
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Barbarra Blair
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07-19-2006 15:58
I do not frequent real life casinos, so please correct me if I am wrong--but is it not true that in most casinos one does not gamble with actual cash, but with tokens (chips if you will) that are purchased from the casino and can later be resold back to the casino?
Hard to see the difference here. _____________________
--Obvious Lady
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