Your World, Your Imagination*

Without the masses of irrelevant residents there isn't much of a business to worry about.

You are correct. The RL companies have made it a practice to ignore the irrelevant masses, AKA customers.

They won't be free of restrictions, but then again other international companies would be careful not to let this crap happen rampantly inthe first place.

Not all are that smart, maybe they could only track down one pair involved so quickly, maybe still tracking others down or they couldn't get some easily because they were in other countries and I imagine if 2 participants are in 2 different countries all LL could do is ban them and forward details to those countires authorities who may not be able to act on them or may just "tag" those people concerned

True but can't leave the door open with the other dozen horses getting out while you chase one either

do you really thing LL don't try to predict problem before they occur ?? of course they do,
really sugesting they dont is just rediculous and if something like this happends its totally obvious the peopel involved are going to get banned and then rules set afterwards to stop it happening again.

I suspect any replacement that comes along will have learned from SL, and have all the stuff we're finding as "vice-like restrictions" implemented from the get-go. Because "how can people complain about restriction of freedoms if they're restricted right when they sign up?"

Badabing.

Using that logic we better all not do anything then. We all could be committing a retroactive offense.

People should not be banned for things they do that are not agaisnt the rules when they do them. Period.


Its up the Linden Labs to Set the rules.
Once the rules are set - if someone breaks the rules they deserve to be banned.

If you altic , wear Blue Today and I decide to ban you for it,

Then I make a the rule tommorrow saying that wearing Blue is a bannable offense -

Wouldnt you consider that unfair?

Im sure Some of that will happen. After all we agreed not to use Hate Crime type racists Materials when we signed up for Second Life....

My guess that places which allow controversal sexual conduct will be geographically based - Such as US residents only.

A US residents Only game based in the US would have a much smaller shark infested sea to navigate.

OR alternatively -

The might be peer to peer type setups. So that no one can blame a central company.

The following is only a test...had this been a real crime, Linden Lab would have scrambled to make sure all female avatars had Gorean Free Woman clothing...

"Okay...I am a muslim living in Saudi Arabia. Our laws state that all women will be covered from head to toe and not to be addressed at unless spoken to. All women must be escorted by a man at all times while in public. We do not condon pornography whatsoever. All persons are to pray 5 times a day, bowing down and pointed at Mecca.

Oh my, I saw so many violations of our laws in Second Life.

I'm gonna report it to my government and get Al-Arabia to film it."

End of test...you may resume your Second Lives.

maybe, but this isn't the same paltform I signed up for and invested so much time and money in. I don't do cyber sex or even cyber dating, but I feel like I gave enough info when I varified. I can click the 18 over button like anyone else. I really bought into "the dream" and am more than dissapointed in the total lack of regard LL shows it's paying customers. SL is starting to feel like a bit of a mess. In some ways even more than in RL because in RL I expect limitations and impositions to be placed in my path by small minded conservatives. Here, I'm always much more shocked to see intolerance and thought police. Dare we say the dream is dead?

I find this comment chilling; especially after running across "Sweet Primrose" in-world yesterday and being exposed to her whole schtick. Very much bang on the field of concern here, methinks.

I don't recall meeting you, sir. Perhaps you could enlighten me *grins*

Edit: Ahh, I recall now. The guy in latex. It was a nice conversation overall. I'm not sure what you mean by "exposed to my schtick" but I'm sure you have your reasons. Thanks for jumping on the dance ball at Lost Dogs for me so I could see what that couples dance looked like.

I refuse to ascribe to doom and gloom, and maybe I have rose coloured glasses on, but...

I helped create an online community a number of years ago. It started as something small for friends and what I thought would interest only a few. It grew exponentially and insanely. The community went from a few basic rules, the crux of which was "hey, let's just play nice together", to a point where rules HAD to be introduced and enforced. Some good, some bad.

Three moderators, self included, did the best we could and as hard as we tried to predict what would happen, we didn't have a crystal ball. Some people left our community and others stuck around. Over the years we have settled into a constant rate of growth with some spikes now and again. We are still vilified by some old members who just couldn't cut us some slack while we worked through a system that would satisfy most people, but so what. The numbers in the end don't lie.

What I'm trying to say is that LL is trying and they may be making some poor judgment calls, back pedaling and so forth, but, as already pointed out, they are trail blazers. They need time to sort through new situations and if, in the end, some of their judgments are not effective, that's not to say they can't continue to improve and repair.

My two Linden Dollars.

A set of distributed servers - streaming data - torrent like - owned by their users - all hosting their own parcels-

mmmm
what a wonderful dreamworld

In the past LLABS has done this, making rules to changing them on the fly. I said this many time.Itr seems We are only a test from for Ph.D. Thesis resource in the way they changes rules, issues etc....What LLABS stands against say 6 monthsago, LLABS changes faces and backs off it, or changes the rules in favor for what they were no infavor for. Typical LLABS Mind Games they play with us.

SL is very much on par with a childrens playground... you love to see them having fun, but there has to be rules... some see them as restricting.. an impeedence on their freedom or even down right insane... RL is just much older than VR platforms... and therefore already has entrenched laws.. there is always those that will try and justify what they want to do in SL, that they know they can't do in RL, even if it breaks morale and legal status of RL... but you can thank those that test the boundaries for the inclusion of more and more rules/laws/restrictions.. to the point whereby VR life and RL carries little distinction.

The difference is: what happens in RL actually happens for real. That's why it's called RL. No person in SL has ever had sex with anyone. It's technically impossible, because it's a virtual computer game.

Myself and my family most likely will NOT be getting age verified until absolutely forced. Most of us right now are Payment information used in classification since we hail from a time when getting an account involved a minimum $9.95 fee. Our issues with this new system vary. For about half of us it is litterally illegal for them to give out the information asked for to get verfied. Others of us are not comfy giving out even the last 4 digits of the ss. Still others will refuse to verify to support the rest.

Quite honestly I don't see this refusal to verify affecting us much at all. We typically only leave the island for a rare shopping trip or tringo game or class. We will simply have to pick our destinations a bit more carefully is all.

To those that would say that the unverified are all kids or griefers all I can say is how sad people have to villify others in a search for superiority. There will be as many reasons people choose NOT to get verfied as there are people. SL is a big place we can find other venues to visit where we are welcome or do as we have always done and make our own.

One unintended result of this decision by the family has been rather humorous to us. Our already nearly lagless island has gained an even bigger buffer against lag as all those poseballs and scripts have been picked up. We bought nearly 2 MS of script time (by the estate debug tools counts) that is now not being used. Yeah I am anal about lag.

I mostly agree with you but there appears to be no consulation with the users over this issue and a great many are unhappy about it. The information they are asking for is extremely sensitive. If someone is the victim of identity theft and they're reeling off a list of places who have their sensitive details, the authorities are going to react with some disbelief when they say they readily handed them over to play an online simulation, even if that's not where the breach is.

I get regular letters from companies offering me identity theft protection, I wonder how many of those policies would be null and void if I divulge the information LL are asking for.

I fully support LL in their quest for an age verification solution, but the solution they are offering is not the answer.

One thing is for sure though, anybody who does come up with a secure and reliable online age verification system is going to make themselves an absolute fortune.

but surely with the reduction in the distinction comes the reduction in the motivation?

You could have a Ferarri F2 parked next to a 20 year old Ford Escort. If you 'restrict' the engine management of the F2 to match the top speed of the Ford, ultimately the Ford becomes the better prospect .. more boot space!

Oversimplification I know .. but from "Your world, Your Imagination" to what many here fear, is like a long, slow neutering

Thanks for pointing out the obvious sherlock.... have you heard of Virtual Crime? Google it and become enlightened.

LOL.. now that is creative over simplifying, especially as you were doing a comparrison to SL... where we can have both the Ford Escort (do they still make them? Or are you showing your age bilbo?) and the Ferarri in your garage for around 3$ (or £1.5 to you and me bilbo).

The saying "Your World, Your Imagination" should carry an annexe... "But with OUR rules.. signed LL". At least with Microsoft, their current custodian is Warner Bros Studios.. but with LL.. its any country where the laws and rules are seen to be broken, that can and will spell an ever increasing set of rules and restrictions, to the masses of what are seen as law abiding citizens.. those that comply to the law, don't need more laws.. laws are only imposed to catch those that can and will break them.

LL needs to find a top shelf legal team, maybe they can bill pne of their Corporate Suitors, and hammer all this out, once and for all. The law office on top of the dirty bookstore on Castro Street isn't gonna cut it anymore.