It's supposed to be free damnit!!

I sometimes like to create stuff and give it away for free. I usually do this by enabling 'Allow anybody to copy' so then people are free to collect it from wherever they spot the item. But I'm finding many "people" are disabling 'Allow anybody to copy' and keeping it to themselves. Or even worse - selling the damn thing!.

Call me crazy, but isn't LL actively encouraging the evil freebie sellers by allowing them to disable the setting?. I've had quite a few IM's from people telling me that they've been sold an item that they later found out was intended to be free.

So can a wise person tell me why LL are allowing people to disable 'Allow anybody to copy'?. Is there some logic that I'm just failing to see?.


Maybe I need to take these shades off -

Two separate things:

1. Once I take a copy of something, I think it becomes my property and my choice whether to allow others to copy it. I should be able to disable that setting on my particular copy. BUT:

2. Selling things that you know darn well the creator meant to give away is low.

My preference would be that LL allow people to turn off the 'allow anyone to copy' box, but if they do that on something they didn't create, it also becomes non-transferable.

Be a nice "Feature" if a creator could set permanent permissions on items.

Would also be nice if one could set Textures to NoTrans yet still be used on items to be sold/given.

Ummm....come to think of it, there are a lot of things the permission system needs.

But yes, I agree with ya, Suisei, if something was meant to be copied by the creator, that should be the final say in the matter.

~Jessy

I don't know about the wise part, but I think it revolves around LL's thinking that if you own something (either purchased or given to you) then you can do anything you want with "your" item. Actually that line of thought is not a bad one in my opinion......but it does cause concern for people like you (and me, since I do the same thing). You (and I) made the damned stuff and we intended it to be free......free for everyone who wants it. But once we release it to the wild wild west our intents be damned.......the next person can sell it with no mode, no transfer, no copy. Really spoils the original reason to give it away in the first place. What p's me off the most is that some poor sap winds up paying for something to someone when if they had known me they could have had it for free.

I see the logic........but there needs to be an option (make it default) to forever leave the item free. No person who later becomes the owner can alter that restriction. It sure would make me feel better about giving stuff away.

Well yeah, it becomes your choice because LL are giving you that choice. That's exactly the problem!.

Hell, I'm just hoping they don't allow people to change the 'Modify' permission in the next update and give everybody even more choice!.

what kinds of items are you selling?

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This feature is already in existence. It's called "No Modify".

What right does someone who gives something away for free have over someone who takes that item?

None that I can see.

If someone makes a profit off of what you give away, well, I don't understand the bitching.

You gave it away.

You gave full permissions.

It's out of your hands.

If you don't want someone to take advantage, don't give it away.

Sheesh

I think the logic of thinking that something you own is yours to do with as you please stems mostly from the fact that something you own is yours to do with as you please.

This isn't so, Conan. You can still disable 'Allow anybody to copy' on no modify objects. Yeah, I know, it sounds crazy.

Like enabling modify?

Actually that sounds eminently sensible. Ultimately though, people have every right to do this with their objects - regardless of who created them.

I think the tips that pop up whenever you mouse over that stuff can be annoying. I mean, like, those linden trees. Some people get them with that on by default, so everywhere you go, if your mouse is on a tree, that annoying thing pops up. I don't turn it on for any of my freebies. I usually allow full permissions if it's random and stupid, and something nobody would sell, but I recently created a 1 prim sculpted inflatable raft that was pretty nifty. It's the kind of thing people would usually sell, but it's not the kind of thing I sell, so I'm giving it away. However, because of the quality and usefulness of it, I decided to make it no transfer and include a landmark to my store with it. That way, if anyone has friends, they can send them there to grab a copy, or they can get it on SLExchange. I believe I also said that it was a freebie in the description, so people who decide to check it out can know and possibly check my profile for a place to find it.

But yeah, freebie sellers suck. This is why I don't usually give away anything aside from useless crap like the wonderful chair and such. I guess the Ouendan outfit is pretty useful, and I gave full perms on that. I really hope I don't find anyone trying to sell my stuff.

Haha.......tell that to the RAIA. That's not true in every case. Suzei made the item to give away.........and LL has no way of putting a "not for resell" label on it. That's what she and I are talking about.

Candy bars you buy in bulk have those labels, for Christ's sake.

It does sound sensible. But we know that people would abuse the ability to modify items. So this explains why LL doesn't allow people to change modify permissions. But then why does LL allow people to change 'Allow anybody to copy' when people are clearly abusing it.

Now we're back to my original question.

You misunderstood me; that people are able to change "Allow anybody to copy" was the bit I mean't sounded sensible.

If you set it to "No Copy" then you can stop people letting others copy it obviously - but you have no right to compel people to allow others to copy their stuff, as great as all the free advertising for your products might be. There is no abuse going on here, only people exercising their right not to pass on your stuff whether you want them to or not.

I don't give full permissions. This is my point, people are allowed to change the 'Allow anybody to copy' on objects that don't have modify enabled.

So I suspect that you would be supportive of people being allowed to change the 'Modify' setting?

Why do freebies have to be transfer? They can still be free and people won't be able to resell them.

Outside of that, what does it matter? Ya gave it away for free. If someone else makes a profit on it, why is it important? Yes, someone else could have gotten it for free, but he/she felt it was worth paying for; later on, they *may* feel cheated; I wouldn't, though. Heck, Id' probably even pay the creator, too.

I don't think there is a way, technically, to keep something completely free, if it is full-permed. People can always make a copy one way or another, and still sell it around any "freebie enforcement" permission.

What I do with my freebies is set them to no modify and put in the description tab: Freebie from The Botanical Gardens. That way it should be clear to someone who is being "sold" that item that is meant to be a freebie before they buy it from a weasel freebie reseller.

The way I solved it for me is that I personally give the stuff away (I don't have a shop or store) and everyone I give to I request that they do not resell it or give it to someone who will resell it. An honor system which I'm fully aware can be abused. I've yet to see anything I've made for sale.....though I have seen people I don't know wearing some of my stuff. I've asked who gave it to them and they have always told me who (which is someone I know). I sometimes even get a compliment when I tell them I made it. Makes a girl feel special LOL.

Hehe thanks 2k! I have some stuff up for sale at a yard sale and I jetted over there to make sure I wasn't actually selling a freebie.

Well good for you, Talarus!

But like you said, others feel cheated. I'd personally would rather see people not feel cheated over seeing some punk profit from a freebie.

You suspect wrongly. You are not trying to stop people modifying an object or passing it on. You are trying to do the exact opposite; force them to pass your objects along.