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Voice chat...I refuse to use it...am I a terrible person?

Cole Riel
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09-18-2007 01:33
From: Royce Boa
Firstly, I want to say that I think voice chat is a great feature for those of us that want to use it. I know a lot of people come into Second Life exclusively to sit around in thier favorite place and voice chat all night long with their friends, and this is wonderful. I also know a few close friends who have found real world love in Second Life, and voice chat has been a god send for them.

I happen to be someone who never uses voice chat, and I probably never will. This is because I am in Second Life mainly to role play. I did not create my avatar in my image at all. I came into Second Life wanting to create a character that I would "play" in the Metaverse. Royce is a strong girl. She's what I am inside, but lack the self confidence to show in real life. She's also what I find attractive in women and men wrapped up into one. She's basically a fantasy character even to me. I could never properly portray Royce as this character using my voice and my way of talking. I sound like Mini Mouse with a stutter, and I'm also intimidated by microphones, so my delivery would be horrendous. :) To me, this was what attracted me to Second Life. The imagination and pretend element of it. Obviously, when I get to know someone, I open up a bit about my real life. But I try to keep it in IM's and not as a part of my Second Life persona.

My question is, does this somehow make me a bad and shady person in Second Life? I sometimes feel like I am the odd one out when everyone is standing around voice chatting, and I'm not even listening to them. I really don't like turning voice on, because it ruins the mood that I'm trying to create for myself (and for other people too). I turned it on once just to listen in, and it was the weirdest thing to hear "ordinary" person voices attached to these "extra-ordinary" characters I'd been interacting with for months. I had created voices for these people in my head, like when you read a book, and I was disappointed when their real voices were nothing like the ones I had made for them.

I also think that voice has no place in official role play sims. It just becomes too tempting to sit around and talk out of character, and there's nothing sillier than hearing someone explaining what they are doing with you in context to the game with their "normal person" voice, especially in a fantasy scenario. It just becomes silly.

Anyways...I know I just ranted a bit here, but I want to know what some of you think about this. Specifically...

1. How do you feel about people who flat out refuse to use voice chat? Does it raise questions of trust with you?

2. Do you think voice chat should be kept out of role play sims, or do you think it can add to the experience?

Thanks everyone!

Voice has no play in official roleplaying sims?

Says you? How about not using everything the game itself provides is not being a real roleplayer? Voice is here and it's here to stay. You don't need to use it but then when you're left behind you can't say anything as now where you see many others chatting on voice yet this person doesn't use it so they can't participate.
I didn't see where op stated who they were, I imagine a female. But men who play girlies won't dare touch a mic as don't women who play men. This is for the most part. Others use excuses of language difference and it's not that good an excuse as they're many groups here of different languages where they also have their language here.

Excuses, excuses, excuses!!!
Wulfric Chevalier
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09-18-2007 01:51
From: Cole Riel
Voice has no play in official roleplaying sims?

Says you? How about not using everything the game itself provides is not being a real roleplayer? Voice is here and it's here to stay. You don't need to use it but then when you're left behind you can't say anything as now where you see many others chatting on voice yet this person doesn't use it so they can't participate.
I didn't see where op stated who they were, I imagine a female. But men who play girlies won't dare touch a mic as don't women who play men. This is for the most part. Others use excuses of language difference and it's not that good an excuse as they're many groups here of different languages where they also have their language here.

Excuses, excuses, excuses!!!


Don't see why anyone needs an excuse not to use voice if they don't want to.

And surely men playing women or women playing men IS roleplaying, and a lot harder to do convincingly then playing an elf or a vampire, etc. But using voice would spoil the roleplay in such cases, unless a voice changer was used which is not something the game itself provides.
Prodigal Maeterlinck
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09-18-2007 01:57
I'm glad to find this thread; I have an RP sim and was mulling over whether to allow voice chat on the land, and what RP policies would need to be applied to it down the road. Now some people do have good voice acting talent and the talent to integrate interface with imagination in roleplay.

And some have voices that don't match their characters, and some aren't as proficient in mixing voice acting with text-based roleplay, or are otherwise unwilling to share their voice. This could lead to a jarring inconsistency in roleplay styles. But I think the worst concern would be that it would encourage the chat to the point that it overshadowed, and began to discourage, the texture rendering of good roleplay. Some find voice more immersive, people who usually prefer single-player video games, and some find text more immersive, people who have grown up getting involved in fictional novels.

Also, it's difficult to separate OOC remarks from character dialog, which could derail roleplay, or encourage some to exploit that difficulty to get away with abusive comments.

As for who you really are behind your computer, I don't think that's a concern for roleplay sims, so in answer to the OP's first question, your choice to leave voice out of it shouldn't be an issue of trust. In answer to your second question, I think it deserves more experimentation to see if it can add more than take away. I think it can be used to great effect if used well and sparingly, but not everyone can be trusted not to use it disruptively, intentionally or not.
Sally Silvera
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09-18-2007 02:01
From: Cole Riel
Excuses, excuses, excuses!!!


Yeah, those of us who cannot or choose not to use voice chat obviously need an excuse :rolleyes:
This is exactly the kind of thing / attitude the op was referring to, I imagine. *sigh
Cherry Czervik
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09-18-2007 02:09
From: Sally Silvera
Yeah, those of us who cannot or choose not to use voice chat obviously need an excuse :rolleyes:
This is exactly the kind of thing / attitude the op was referring to, I imagine. *sigh


Well.

I will use voice still with friends. I might talk if I feel like it, but the only people who get to 'demand' I talk to them are people I already care about (and I guess that goes for new friends I will make ... mwah to a lot of people here).

The 'privacy' angle makes me smile as I wipe a mail sent to my work mail from someone I thought I could trust. Seems not huh.

I'm pretty glad I never lied in my RL and still don't, because there is not much poo to hit the fan in terms of things he can do or say.

But there's loads of reasons not to want to use voice ... for a start it is distracting when you are wanting to do something else.
Morwen Bunin
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09-18-2007 02:13
From: Cole Riel
You don't need to use it but then when you're left behind you can't say anything as now where you see many others chatting on voice yet this person doesn't use it so they can't participate.


Funny... I know many, many people in game... I do meet even more... Not even 2% uses voice... and of those 2% a majority not all the time.

Woaaa.... I feel so left behind....

Morwen.
Morwen Bunin
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09-18-2007 02:20
From: Prodigal Maeterlinck
I'm glad to find this thread; I have an RP sim and was mulling over whether to allow voice chat on the land, and what RP policies would need to be applied to it down the road. Now some people do have good voice acting talent and the talent to integrate interface with imagination in roleplay.


Well... yes indeed. I don't know what kind of RP sim you have... but a high elf with a Texaan accent or my own mixture of Amsterdam/Twents dialect is just a no go....

And RP with TV on the background? Radio? Someone shouting "Look after the kids. I have to pee" (I really heard this once). Sorry, no thank you... not for me.

And....

*Puts her hands angry on her hips.... her eyes filled fire... bitting her lips to bleeding try to control her deep emotions.... as raises slowly her hand, pointing at you.....*

Try that in voice.

Morwen.
Sally Silvera
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09-18-2007 02:23
From: Cherry Czervik
Well.
I will use voice still with friends. I might talk if I feel like it, but the only people who get to 'demand' I talk to them are people I already care about (and I guess that goes for new friends I will make ... mwah to a lot of people here).
The 'privacy' angle makes me smile as I wipe a mail sent to my work mail from someone I thought I could trust. Seems not huh.
I'm pretty glad I never lied in my RL and still don't, because there is not much poo to hit the fan in terms of things he can do or say.
But there's loads of reasons not to want to use voice ... for a start it is distracting when you are wanting to do something else.



You following me? :p


Only point I was making is that I don't see why anyone who cannot or chooses not to use voice would need an excuse. I can see why it's attractive to people, and I hope everyone who is using voice is enjoying it, but that comment from Cole just ... well...... annoyed me.

Anyway, old debate, been there, done that, chucked the t-shirt.

/me goes off in search of pie and penguins
Sally Silvera
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09-18-2007 02:25
From: Morwen Bunin
Funny... I know many, many people in game... I do meet even more... Not even 2% uses voice... and of those 2% a majority not all the time.
Woaaa.... I feel so left behind....
Morwen.


woooot, can I be left behind too? :D
Cherry Czervik
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09-18-2007 02:28
From: Wulfric Chevalier
Don't see why anyone needs an excuse not to use voice if they don't want to.

And surely men playing women or women playing men IS roleplaying, and a lot harder to do convincingly then playing an elf or a vampire, etc. But using voice would spoil the roleplay in such cases, unless a voice changer was used which is not something the game itself provides.


LMAO yes indeed it IS RP

Do voice changers actually work? *shakes head* that's not how I'd judge if someone was male or female anyway.
Cherry Czervik
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09-18-2007 02:41
From: Sally Silvera
You following me? :p


Only point I was making is that I don't see why anyone who cannot or chooses not to use voice would need an excuse. I can see why it's attractive to people, and I hope everyone who is using voice is enjoying it, but that comment from Cole just ... well...... annoyed me.

Anyway, old debate, been there, done that, chucked the t-shirt.

/me goes off in search of pie and penguins


YAY penguins :)

I don't ever want to hear of penguin pie tho. Unless it is a special pie which penguins like, that would be ok.
Sally Silvera
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09-18-2007 02:59
From: Cherry Czervik
YAY penguins :)
I don't ever want to hear of penguin pie tho. Unless it is a special pie which penguins like, that would be ok.


:D :D :D
Brenda Connolly
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09-18-2007 03:50
From: Cherry Czervik
YAY penguins :)

I don't ever want to hear of penguin pie tho. Unless it is a special pie which penguins like, that would be ok.

Which would probably be some kind of fish pie....... :(
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Cherry Czervik
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09-18-2007 04:45
Back to that again.

No!! I refuse! They are my flipping penguins (literally sometimes).

They like ICE CREAM.

There.

Official.

Ice cream pie please.
Prodigal Maeterlinck
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09-18-2007 05:46
From: Morwen Bunin
And RP with TV on the background? Radio? Someone shouting "Look after the kids. I have to pee" (I really heard this once). Sorry, no thank you... not for me.
Well, it's not going to be for everyone anyway, you really need a quiet place to concentrate. But that could make it more immersive. Even I probably wouldn't do it all the time, as I like to stream music that doesn't necessarily suit the sim's theme.

From: Morwen Bunin
And....

*Puts her hands angry on her hips.... her eyes filled fire... bitting her lips to bleeding try to control her deep emotions.... as raises slowly her hand, pointing at you.....*

Try that in voice.

Morwen.


Try putting '/me' before that and follow it up with a clear voice quote. Like so:

/me dangles the whip idly down along His calf, his lips spread into an indulgent smile, then His jaw clenches with an impatient flare of His eyes as He barks: "Take to your knees, Princess!"

And then you see the potential this feature has to contribute. And just as much potential to disrupt, when you have tourists ambling through shattering the scene with peanut gallery comments and clumsily trolling for cyber.

EDIT: Question: If it's disabled on the land, guests there still have the option to voice chat in private, is that correct?
FD Spark
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09-18-2007 05:50
I don't hang out with a whole lot of people and those who matter we've discussed voice and our reasons for not really wanting it to use it.
None of my friends have a issue with not using voice.
I have no interest at this point using voice.
I don't care if others do or if they have problems with me not using it.
I assume the majority think the same way.
I haven't even installed voice program.
I don't care what others choose to do or within their roleplaying.
I have my friends but my primary purpose for being SL is creating.
Cherry Czervik
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09-18-2007 06:09
From: Prodigal Maeterlinck

EDIT: Question: If it's disabled on the land, guests there still have the option to voice chat in private, is that correct?


This is correct and also gives rise to the erroneous impression that not many people use voice.

If you are in voice or conference IM you are not available to chat in public.
Alt Aabye
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09-18-2007 06:28
From: Cherry Czervik
This is correct and also gives rise to the erroneous impression that not many people use voice.

If you are in voice or conference IM you are not available to chat in public.


Very true. My personal impression is that there are rather more voice users than many people think.

/me waves at Cherry :)
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Michael Bigwig
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09-18-2007 06:31
Royce,

You're not a bad person. You're just rendered that way.

Voice is a wonderful tool, one with many advantages and positive attributes. If you choose not to use this ability, no one of quality will ever bad-mouth you for this choice.

It is the responsibility of all participants to make a conversation work--if someone doesn't want to compromise in the least, it is they who are to blame...not the software.

I meet a fair amount of citizens every day, and more often then not, there is never a problem communicating. We either voice, text, or both. It's extremely rare to run into someone that is too stubborn to use one or the other.

If there IS a problem, then like I said earlier, the one that will not compromise is to blame. The tools aren't the problem, the problem lies in the willingness (or lack thereof) to give, and not just take.

*shrugs*
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Morwen Bunin
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09-18-2007 07:09
From: Prodigal Maeterlinck
Try putting '/me' before that and follow it up with a clear voice quote. Like so:


By making (partly) an emote from it.... you are (partly) not using voice, but written text.

Morwen.
Morwen Bunin
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09-18-2007 07:11
From: Michael Bigwig
.Voice is a wonderful tool, one with many advantages and positive attributes. If you choose not to use this ability, no one of quality will ever bad-mouth you for this choice.


Then the sad conclusion has to be that there a lot people of "none quality" in SL. You should hang around in the welcome area's at time.... it can get disgusting there at times concerning the use of voice or not.

Morwen.
Cherry Czervik
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09-18-2007 07:23
From: Alt Aabye
Very true. My personal impression is that there are rather more voice users than many people think.

/me waves at Cherry :)


/me waves at Alt :)

BTW do I know you? *smiles*
Cherry Czervik
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09-18-2007 07:24
From: Morwen Bunin
Then the sad conclusion has to be that there a lot people of "none quality" in SL. You should hang around in the welcome area's at time.... it can get disgusting there at times concerning the use of voice or not.

Morwen.


Oh and how, but then they always were. First time I logged into SL I nearly uninstalled it on the spot.
Noam Sprocket
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09-18-2007 07:33
Honestly, I forgot we even had it. No one I hang out with uses it. None of my customers try to voice ping me. On a whole, just from my personal experience, no one really seems to care if you do or don't use it. I've yet to even encounter someone who tries to push me to use it.

If someone is going to judge you for not using it, they have issues, not you.
Morwen Bunin
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09-18-2007 07:33
From: Cherry Czervik
Oh and how, but then they always were. First time I logged into SL I nearly uninstalled it on the spot.


True. But I always try to look for those who really need some help. Got some nice friends that way.

And yes, I have seen some rather rude behavior there... up to flaming and all. But what I find so scary in this concerning voice, they pick out one and hit in full force in that direction.

Morwen.
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