Is the holding hand animation considered a sexual animation?

I am just wondering which animations the animators will be allowed to sell for real dollars (or L$ since they are one and the same) once any commerce in the area of sex is banned in SL? (or SL stops dealing with PayPal or SL closes the LindenX)

Is the holding hand animation crossing that line and who will decide on those things?

Just trying to be prepared in case I want to invest time learning to make animations for sale in SL.

This is a windup isn't it. I'm tired, it's been a long day. You're the "Be Evil" person aren't you?

I'm just asking a question, because if a sploder is gambling I"m quite sure holding hands is sex. And if you think sex is not next then you are blind.

lol the day sex is banned in sl is the day i become a virgin in rl again

That, my friend, depends on what that hand is holding.

Nimue! I love it!

We'll let you decide! =c)

Oh please. Why not just wait for that to happen? (doubtful). Until then, go pout in the corner with all the other frustrated gamblers

Yeah, good idea, just wait.

And we all know what sort of activity is bad for your eyesight.

*moves*

Dang ol' Nimue.

Beat me to the punchline.

Come on Chilly, at least wait until Friday. Sex on SL isn't going away anytime fast because it is perfectly legal and poses no threat of legal liability for LL. Gambling on the internet is still against the law, or, at the very least, is likely to result in criminal action against LL, so it is not permitted in SL. Depictions of children engaged in sex acts, even if no actual children are involved are illegal and could result in liability for LL, since LL provides that platform for the exchange. Therefore they are not allowed.

Do you see the difference? If it creates a legal liability for LL in RL, it will be banned. If it does not, LL could not care less about it. As for gambling on the internet, you should have known. Honestly. I've supplemented my income for years playing poker on the net (shhh. don't tell). This issue has been in the forefront of the industry for years now and the UIGEA lit up the online gaming forums like a nuclear bomb the second it came out. twoplustwo has an entire forum dedicated to legal issues and has people actively lobbying the government to get the law changed. This is all over pocketfives. The Poker Players Alliance is a lobbying group that has enlisted Alphonse D'Amato to lobby on behalf of online gaming issues.

Party, the largest provider of gambling services in the world bailed out of the market almost immediately. Most people here probably didn't notice, but in the online gaming community that was as big a deal as if the US declared war on Canada. All hell broke loose. Paradise followed their lead, as did Pokerroom - both major providers. Anybody with ANY involvement in online gaming could have seen this coming a mile away. Stars, BoDog, UP and Absolute are the only real players left in the US market. Neteller, by far the biggest provider of funds transfers from one gaming site to another bailed after its founders were arrested on US soil. The sites that bailed weren't even physically in the US at all, and they couldn't take the heat. How could LL, located in US jurisdiction, have had any hope of continuing to allow its members to offer gambling?

There is no way, and I mean this sincerely, no way that anyone offering any kind of gambling services on the internet has any excuse not to be aware of the pressure the US government is putting on the industry. Even the most basic research into the industry would have revealed what was going on. If you could not see this coming, then you were either blinded by your own desire to turn a buck in SL gambling, or you flat out failed to do any of the due diligence that any reasonable business start up would have done in your place.

Please understand - I'm not trying to flame you or be disrespectful. I understand that you are upset about your losses. But you took a HUGE gamble and lost, and I get frustrated when I see everyone getting all upset about losing gambling on SL. You took a bad beat. It happens to all of us. IM me and I'll give you some hand histories that will make your bowels clench. All you can do is dust off, do whatever it takes to get off tilt, and get back in the game - only this time if you want in the game its either going to be in a different industry or its going to not be in SL. Here's a hint - the cash games at Absolute are notoriously soft and anybody with any skill can kill the beginner SnG's at BoDog. GL and stay within your roll.

LL did not ban gamblind for legal reasons they themselves admit it was a bussiness decision and if you pay attention to the new FAQ on the matter it does not take a rocket scientist to see those reasons came from preassures from payment processing fascilities for which they wouldn't have succumed to those preassure if not for the LindenX.

So you are wrong it is not a leagal thing here. It may have eventually been done for those reasons but it was NOT.

Sex will go the same way and once again it will be a bussiness decision having very little to do with what is legal.

Simulated casinos with fake money are not against the law.

LL has made the L$ real by opening the LindenX

These same preassure will come down in the area of sex.

So no, you are wrong and sex is next.

You need to define what next is.
Could they put an end to stores selling sex animations and pose balls (including sex gen and it's clones)? Yes they could.
Would they be able to round up all the sex toys currently loose on the grid? Not likely. Would they be able to stop two people from cybering either in text or in voice? Not one chance in hell.
If two people do the cyber and one gives the other a gift of Lindens$, would they be able to stop that? Nope.

Then I will define what I mean by next:

Sex is next.

Since the L$ is now real money

And

PayPal + Sex = NO NO

Then

The writing is on the wall. We know who pulls LL's strings now. The L$ HAS become real, it is no longer our world our imagination, the motto needs to be changed (I have some suggestions).

I'm only sorry I wasn't vocal when others before were GOMed. I would cite a famous german poem but it's been cited enough and I'm just as guilty.

For PayPal sex is not simply the act, I doubt anyone ever paid a RL hooker for RL sex through PayPal, we are talking about pornographic materials, representations, pixels even == SL

Say goodbye to escorts and cam shows and stripper clubs and snap on toys ... ok say good bye to any of the forementioned that are not FREE. no I'm not into any of that sex stuff but many were not into simulated games of chance and they didn't care. People only care about thier own particular interests and it's easy to pick off one group at a time when no one supports each other.

L$ will be divorced from sex and sex will be free and all those whose interest in sex and L$ or have invested in it will be left holding the bag. LL does not care about it's residents nor it's groups and as an idividual cares NOTHING. LL only cares about LL.

I understand the changes, I disagree with the execution of the changes. LL doesn't have any respect for it's own community otherwise LL would be more graceful in how it chose to grow up.


This is what happens when you make L$ = Real dollars. It's done.


I give it less then a year.

I might give them less than a year too..........but not for the reasons you cite. Banning sex, gambling, or even yellow and black textures will not be the end of SL. Those bannings would likely change the demographics of the participants of the game but that's about it. And, it just may be that that is exactly what LL wants.......a change of demographics.

SL's downfall will be due to a lack of customer satisfaction..........or "customer service".

I supose it's dependant on whether there is anything in the hands at the time . <remembers a quote from an old con in the dock>.... but M'lud.. I was just standing there with my arm raised and a clenched fist, when this complete stranger rushed up and began head butting my fist 20 times before I could stop him....

if I understand this the gambling online isn't illegal but processing the cashflow is so had LL not done something its entirely possible the banks and paypal would have been breaking the law dealing with LL? So gambling was a direct threat to LL's cashflow. How can sex be next there is no sex its just pixals and thats only dodgy in germany? No sexual act is actually performed from everything I've read its a pointless comparison. Will LL target that next? doubtful I'd put money on the WSE and the sl banks being next for scrutiny

I hope this post topic isn't for real. Since when is holding hands "sexual?" My parents held my hand/s a lot when I was a child.

The topic is for real and Chilly's worry is not unfounded.

PayPal does have a policy of not allowing funds transfers through their service to be used to purchase things of a sexual nature. And they do include pornography ("pixels" in their definition. I have no idea how they enforce this. It could be that they only ban payments to internet porn sites. If you wanted to buy a collection of Playboys on eBay, I think the payment would go through.

Now, the counter-argument is that when you transfer $USD from PayPal to buy $L on the Lindex, you aren't buying things of a sexual nature, you are buying markers used as currency in a game. What you use those $L for afterwards, PayPal doesn't know about, and (it's to be hoped) doesn't care about.

Which viewpoint will prevail? Darned if I know. But, Chilly, isn't it a little early to start the protest rally? Neither LL or PayPal seems to have issued even a hint in this area.

It's clear that the ban on gambling was because of legal issues - whether those directly affected LL or whether they affected Paypal/credit card companies.

If Paypal has a "no sex" rule (I wouldn't know, never used it) then there might be some incentive for LL to ban sex, but they could just leave it to the customer to find a more openminded way of paying the bills. I suspect the OP is right up to a point in that there may well be a tightening up on what sexual material is allowed. The sexual ageplay ban was probably about the public image of SL as much as it was about protecting residents in one or two countries from getting prosecuted (which is how I remember the legal issues).

LL may well decide to clamp down on material that could be seen as offensive to many people. I have no doubt that many people in most countries would find some of the more extreme sexual stuff that is available offensive (e.g. rape, bestiality, watersports/scat, extreme BDSM)*. Certainly I am sure that most people found sexual ageplay offensive. To preserve their image and help attract the corporate dollar they may well try to clamp down on at least the public face of the sex industry. But banning sex completely? no chance.

As to the original question - is a holding hands animation sexual ? Don't be so f*cking silly.

*Please note I am not making a moral judgement about those who enjoy such things, some of them I enjoy, but I'm sure a lot of people would disapprove - there's nothing in that list I find offensive personally and some of them I enjoy. I didnt find ageoplay as done in SL particularly offensive (and I am a parent) although I'm not sorry its gone.

Paypal block payments to sites with sexual content.

The Sky Is Falling! The Sky Is Falling!

Chilly, there's lots of gambling sights out there. Go to those, enjoy, and get on with your life.

You're buying Lindens, not porn. That's like saying I can't use paypal to buy a car, because I might use the car to go buy porn.

Yes, that's what I said.