script window widened why??

Geez, LL, do you even THINK before you mindlessly implement GUI changes?? Now the script window can't be narrowed and is WIDER because of the stupid "insert" pull-down list control! Why are the damn buttons (Help..., Save, Reset) so wide, sucking up width even more? Geez! Is the GUI THAT badly designed it can't accomodate window widths and adjust controls accordingly on-the-fly??

It's bad enough so much crap has been done to the inventory window (springy folder opening/closing, outlining, and now stupid bright arrows instead of the common, less-footprint +/- symbols.

STOP SCREWING UP THE GUI AND MAKING IT MORE ANNOYING! And give us a way to hack it the way WE want it not the way YOU force it down our throats! Sheesh! You spend so much time dorking with the stupid FollowCam yet you restrict things EVERY user will actually use!

The script window is too wide now that the function pull-down list was widened. The buttons could at least be moved above/below the other controls ("Undo Changes" button, "Running" checkbox, etc) and narrowed to fit on 1 or 2 rows.

This change doesn't particularly inspire in me any sort of feeling other than utter indifference.

Eep, I agree with the content of your points, but do you think you could possibly tone down the vitriol? I honestly don't think it helps you get what you want if you insult the people able to give it to you.

i must say after using the preview grid today it doesnt bother me either.

Sorry...I just get so frustrated when I have to deal with an annoying GUI--especially one that gets worse with each update! Haven't people learned ANYTHING from Microsoft Windows XP about what NOT to make a GUI do? Stuff like animated windows, springiness, delays, etc--all annoying! At least make this crap optional so REAL users don't have to be bothered with it... TweakSL please!

I like that stuff in a GUI. Boring interfaces do nothing for my creativity. Who are these 'fake' users you speak of?

It's not about an interface being boring or exciting, but responsive and easy-to-use. I don't like having to wait for an interface. It's bad enough I have to wait for an app to do something MEANINGFUL! A slow interface just slows productivity down overall. No thanks! Give me a quick/fast, responsive interface ANY day! Oh and I'm FAR more creative NOT waiting for the damn interface to catch up!

SL is getting "barbiefied" more buttons , details, springyness, floppy, round pretty buttons...wich is the first thing i turn off on my windows xp.

~.~ now if i could get a "flat" gui for SL

Stupidified, dumb-downed, kiddied, etc... If I wanted to use kidware, I'd go to There or something where everything looks pastelly and fluffy and blah. Give us a POWER USER interface, LL!

I happen to like the new insert list. It's actually something I had wished the script editor had had for a long time. Does that make me not a "real user"? Sorry if I don't have every single LSL function memorized. I do however have a big ass monitor, which I "really use". I'd suggest you get one. All the "real" computer users have them, afterall. Those who prefer "Stupidified, dumb-downed, kiddied" hardware can go do Toontown online or something, right?

I do agree with you though that not everyone wants or needs that bar there. A good solution would be to have a "More" button like on the object editor.

Anyway, the minimum script window size is now about 412x268, not wide enough to display an average line of text, and only tall enough to display 5 lines. You really want it smaller? You must enjoy scrolling.

Chosen, read more carefully. Nowhere did I say to GET RID of the pull-down function/constant list. I want the script window to go at least as narrow as it could pre-1.9 so it's the same width as the edit object window. I don't like having more of the screen covered up than I have to. I don't mind scrolling to free up screen real estate. If the window control can't even show the full pull-down menu list's width when clicked on, even if the pull-down control itself isn't as wide, that's pretty pathetic GUI coding. Even so, there are better ways to design the window to allow it to be resized narrower. And if it can't be resized even narrower than a wide control like the pull-down list, that's even MORE pathetic!

Obviously, personal preferences differ, but even with the new insert dropdown, I'd find most scripts totally unreadable if I narrowed the window that much.

I don't agree with the tone, but I do frequently narrow the script window quite a bit at times.

That's because I want it open, but not in my way. I often like to look at the object whose script I'm editing (sometimes from different angles) in order to see how scripting changes affect it. Or sometimes just because it keeps my mind a little more focused on the task at hand.

The way focusing works combined with the complete lack of docking means that I'm constantly moving windows out of my way when building and scripting. The narrower they are, the less I have to do that, so the better ... but that's a tradeoff with readability. My balance point is probably narrower than most people's, but it worked for me.

I haven't looked at the new version, so I don't know if SL now interferes with that, but I can understand getting annoyed if it did.

I haven't seen it yet but I am always in favor of pretty over ugly.
Not everyone likes the dull grey boxes of Unix.

Since I access SL on a 12" screen however, Eeep might have a point about the sheer size of UI elements, and it is kind of tiresome they way they keep messing with the UI in such non-standard ways without even asking anyone if they want this stuff.

I mean some of it makes sense, like the way they changed "cut" to "path cut" and "advanced cut" to "profile cut" (with no announcement and no user input BTW). But other things, like all of a sudden making the edit outlines huge and glowing, or eliminating the very handy behaviour of the edit line intersection (again with no announcement and no input), are just weird.

One just gets the feeling that a single person at LL is just thinking up UI ideas and implementing them because that's the way they like them to be.

Thank you, Eep, for having the balls to scream when everyone simply mutters and grits their teeth. While I run my script window always maximized, and so I had't even noticed any changes, I would like to point out words that bear repeating:

Truly, if it is ever to be "our" world and "our" imagination, we must first rid ourselves of Linden Lab's constant, random meddling
One email every 20 seconds should be enough for everyone!

You know what? There might actually be some kind of legitimate suggestion/problem in that original post, but I can't see it. I got mired up in the extreme amount of vitriol you encased your point in. People make mistakes. Yelling and screaming and ranting because everyone else is too stupid to see it your way is NOT helpful.

In an IM about the script window width:

IM: