Sims too expensive?
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Thistle Decatur
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09-22-2006 10:51
From: Dennie Bliss And at the risk of sounding snotty, all things aren't meant to be afforded by all people. If we could easily attain the things that were more expensive, we might not work as hard. Besides, it was also my understanding that even at these prices LL isn't making money hand over fist. So there would be no advantage to arbitrarily lower prices without regard to covering costs. I'm not saying give away land or lower prices without regard to profit. That's fine, they're a business, they're here to make money. I'm saying that it may benefit LL if they give people more land options. People are coming to see SL because they read about it and think it sounds cool and then when they get here they find something that looks like an empty strip mall. My first impression after Help Island was "ick". My first question was "what do people do here anyway". I introduced friends and they have all left now because they were turned off by the strip mall aspect. I'm only still here because I had enough RL money to buy a large lot in a new, open area, where I don't feel overwhelmed by the clutter of the neighbors. The thing that kept me in the game until I knew enough to buy land was beautiful places like Svarga, where I could relax and be inspired. There are people with really good ideas for beautiful open places who can't afford to buy a whole sim. If there was a middle ground sim-buying option, those people could build their beautiful open place, and SL as a whole would be a nicer place. New people might stick around longer if they find more beautiful places, and LL will make more money in the long run.
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Fred Extraordinaire
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09-22-2006 11:05
maybe LL shouldnt pony so many sims onto each server then? what if you could build or purchase your own server and pay a smaller fee for LL to use it to host ONLY your sim? wouldnt that be economical for them and keep you from paying for a slow sim that could be bogged down by an event going on in one of the sims that happens to be on the same server? when i first came to sl i thought each sim was hosted by a server, and thats why they cost so damn much, but when i discovered that the grid could be running on a single mainframe i became distraught on what a rip off island owning is. (let alone back then it was cheaper because you got payed for dwell)
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Argent Stonecutter
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09-22-2006 14:08
From: Fred Extraordinaire when i first came to sl i thought each sim was hosted by a server, and thats why they cost so damn much, but when i discovered that the grid could be running on a single mainframe i became distraught on what a rip off island owning is. (let alone back then it was cheaper because you got payed for dwell) Each full sim is served by a single core. As they get computers with more cores, they can fit more sims on a computer, but it's still 1:1 sims to cores.
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Draco18s Majestic
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09-22-2006 22:43
From: Argent Stonecutter Each full sim is served by a single core. As they get computers with more cores, they can fit more sims on a computer, but it's still 1:1 sims to cores. Like.... one of these... Load 16 sims onto that sucker (and Boxx Tech has an APEXX 16 too, but it's not listed, heck they don't even list the PRICE of the APEXX 8--used to have specs, but that got lost in their site redesign apparently).
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Haravikk Mistral
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09-23-2006 03:42
Yeah, unfortunately I'm fairly sure those things cost a helluva lot to manufacture, since the motherboard alone would need to be custom made just for the machine 
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Draco18s Majestic
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09-23-2006 10:24
The APEXX 4 is $42,000 or so. I want one as a desktop just for the hell of having a desktop machine so powerful it'll outlive me.
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Yumi Murakami
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09-23-2006 10:38
From: Thistle Decatur Apparently you can't get them unless you already own a sim. They don't need to sell them in blocks of four ... just don't sell them all at once. If they don't sell them all at once, then after selling one they have to wait to sell the other 3 they are losing money on the processor. As I mentioned above, LL's strategy is to minimise their risk and pass on those problems to the community for social solution. Why not team up with 3 other people who want spase sims and buy a block together? If owning a sim already is a problem, contact an existing sim owner and ask them to hold it for you? From: someone If they opened them up to people who don't already own sims they'd probably get snapped up and there would be no worries about half-filled sparse sim servers. Even if there was an underutilized sparse server for a while, they'd be making SL a nicer place to be, which attacts more people, and earns them more money that way.
Unfortunately, simply attracting more people doesn't earn LL more money. It's a horrible thing to say but true: while (say) Svarga is beautiful, you can walk around it in your Ruth avatar and get all of the enjoyment without making any contribution to LL 
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Haravikk Mistral
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09-23-2006 14:09
From: Draco18s Majestic The APEXX 4 is $42,000 or so. I want one as a desktop just for the hell of having a desktop machine so powerful it'll outlive me. It won't, in a year the latest toaster will be more powerful 
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Argent Stonecutter
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09-24-2006 09:02
I do not believe that you have identified the reason for LL's decision. There's a much more obvious one. From: Yumi Murakami If they don't sell them all at once, then after selling one they have to wait to sell the other 3 they are losing money on the processor. That's no different from sims. They buy a server, they sell a sim, they still have 3/4 of the server at risk. The only difference is that "light" sims share a core. If they sell them to different people then one person could hog the core with scripts, the other sims would lag, and they would have no way of knowing why they were lagging. Instead of opening up that support issue, they simply make sure that there's one owner for all sims, and if there's a CPU hog the person who's suffering the problem will be in a position to fix it.
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