Should people with abillity to "ban" from land have restrictions/rules?

Should people that own land have restrictions/rules...something so they just can't do whatever they want freely? I mean they do have "some" rules but when it comes to the abillity to ban people from the land there needs to be general rules about abusing that power.

Now I am sure some power hungry land owners will say crap like "Well I PAY FOR MY LAND, YOU DON'T!" Thats nice but theres two sides to everything. When someone gets banned remember if see a list of "places they have been banned" you would think "Wow that person is a trouble maker", while alternatively it could be simply the places that person has been banned from had nothing to do with that person!

For instance two of my bans so far had nothing to do with something I did.

1. I was banned from a place where guy sold me this bracelet which in turn made me his slave. I didn't know it would! I wanted my money back and when I asked the owner of the land who was there they told me to "**** off! We can do what we want here!" and banned me from the land.

2. Yesterday I was banned from a land because I landed near a sign and was looking at it while talking to a guy hit the wrong gesture (a silly sound) and the guy nearby on a fancy dance floor said that was griefing and banned from the land because I was causing trouble with my "gestures".

So as you can see if anyobody just seen I was banned from 2 places all they see is "bad person!", not knowing any diffrent. This is why land owners or people who can bad need to have to follow rules to about over banning because they can't control themselves. Maybe take away their land or the ability yo ban someone themselves (leave it up to Linden people).

Not to mention people that getting wrongful bans can't go to lands that they enjoy because of liars, back stabbers or land owners with attitudes for no reason. All more reason I will never pay for a game that only seems to support those who give money. You want my money then listen to me and don't give these people this much power.

/me guesses that you don't own any land.

No I don't think there needs to be any rules about who can be banned from land that is owned (or rented) by another. Maybe your cases are exceptions but most bannings are for cause. Be it sd simple as the one I banned once for landing in my living room and not responding to my questions about if I could help............no response and two minutes later he was banned. He did nothing to make him a trouble maker........but he was rude and I banned him. He'll get over it.........and just maybe he learned something too.

Well, I don't think it's would be showing up as bad sign to anyone, unless they got banned really lots, like 10 or 20 land owners in a row. Lots of people get banned because they have argument with the land lords, or spamming them with begging requests or ignore their questions. *shrug* many people get banned at least once in some sim. It's not that bad.

If someone added you to banlink and you were getting sent away from may sims you visited, then I can see why you'd be frusturated. Yu may want to check banlink at http://www.slbanlink.com

But in all fairness, land owners are paying a fee and I do not see why they would need restrictions on who they allow and ban on their own land.

I don't feel you have anything to worry about. The land owners in this case seem like people you don't want to be around anyway. I mean seriously. Lets take this slow. You bought a bracelet that made you a slave. You did not know and asked for your money back. The guy said **** *** and ban you. Now why, for any reason would you be unhappy about not being able to go to a place like that? Going by your side and assuming you were polite in your request (we don't know that), I don't see a reason why you would ever want to go back.

As for it ruining your reputation, SL is a HUGE place. So unless this area is local to you, or some other significance, I would just move on. I have seen threads like this many a times, some shockingly even more brutal and unfair than yours. The truth of the matter is there are some real nice people on SL and there are some real head cases that do really crazy uncommon things. Take it with a grain of salt and move on. There is plenty more to see and plenty more to do then waste your time somewhere with people that treat others like this.

The guy who landed in your living room and appeared to not be responding may simply have had lag, had to attend to a baby or doorbell in real life, have crashed, been a newbie who hadn't worked out how to get his chat bar back up again etc etc, or maybe didn't speak your language and needed time to put it through a translator tool.

Or he may be a greifer, undercover reporter looking for anything wrong, scammer, looking for 'protection' money, purposefully disrupting your sl, invaded by camera view, taking photos of neighbours through cam view...

whats your point?

Theres lots of possibilities, lets list some negative ones with your positive. Point is the landowner can ban for any reason, including not liking newbie skins.

I was just putting the other side to Peggy, who accused someone of being rude. I don't believe 2 minutes of inactivity under the circumstances of SL and its various layers of interface is proof of rudeness. If it is, then 90% of the users I have met are very rude indeed!

Agreed. Sometimes I choose to login at last location and get called away from the computer before the login handshake has completed. Once or twice I've returned to the PC only to discover friends saying things like "WALKER?" and "WTF?" or just downright abusing my avatar with prim-poo and stuff. Never had an outright ban for that yet, but couldn't care less unless it was a place worth visiting regularly (which most residential parcels are not).

As for concerns about reputation after being banned from a couple of parcels. Don't bother. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people don't read parcel banlists, and two parcels is nothing given the size of the main grid thesedays.

lol. I think the point is he pop into a bedroom without asking first and don't answer in limited time. There wouldn't be a problem if he pop in on a street and go away for 19 mins =p

If it's my land, then I control the keys to the front door. That is no more power hungry than being able to decide who I will or will not let into my RL house.

I wouldn't worry about bad reputation either. I also once got banned without warning because I realised the dress code of a club a little too late (got ejected while pulling out an appropriate outfit from my inventory, and no, I was not naked or sporting huge genitals, I was just not in formals). It's no big deal. We all know things like that happen, so in and of itself being banned from a few places won't change most people's opinion about you. And the few idiots who would judge you because of that: their loss.

hmm, is this a bad place for confession? after exploring a network of tunnels beneath your dinosaur park last year, i found myself in your bedroom. fantastic build by the way, but i hope i'm not banned now. lol.

i do take your point Nargus. although i'm quite liberal with the ban and kick options and generally don't care about strangers being on my land unless they're being disruptive, on the few occasions i've unintentionally ended up in somebody elses bedroom (such as yours) it does feel wrong. Like i've gone to an incredibly personal place, uninvited..and I quickly try to get out (which wasn't easy at your place if i recall correctly ).

lol XD I would have put a lock on the door if I want it private. But then, a locked door is just pulling more attention than a plane metal ones, considering how much people try to crack on the keypad door near my holo vendors XD

Oh, if you'd encountered Nargus in his bedroom at the time...
Wait...can I go there without being banned from the forums?

I never go into peoples homes. That much I know not to do. Just like in real life a house is still a house. Its the one place that is yours and is your property. Although there has been times when I have been flying out of a "commercial" area and my guys keeps flying because of lag or my crappy FPS and I end up on someones house and they get all pissy and I don't realize it until 20 seconds later. Like its my fault this games so glitchy.

Which brings up another issue. People can't expect you to teleport somewhere and know the rules and whats going on instantly. For some the places load fast, for others they don't. Mine load pretty fast depending on the amount of pictures around. But I can teleport into a sim and not realize it and before half the stuff rezs and I have a chance to change anything on myself I get yelled at for not changing what I need to and get warned about being banned.

lol. That would depend what's his species.

Oh, right, if he's not raptor then it's bestiality and we ALL know that's culturaly unacceptable.
(And of course, I should thank Nargus for being sporting about this, but I know he's a softie under that tough raptor exterior...mm...squishy insides...)

...or she, i meant. But exactly otherwise XD

I think Walker is male, but yes, could be female (not enough information available, defaulting to gender neutral pronoun xe).

xe? We already have a gender neutral pronoun, the singular 'they' to refer to another person (opposed to group of persons) =P

As for land-bans, I've been banned from parcels purely for the products I make, or for running a money tree that had no money in it at the precise time some land-owning newbie tried to pick from it (quite what right they had to complain about not getting free newbie money I'm not sure, nor why I should be upset about being banned from a 512sq m plot in a sim I've never heard).

But nonetheless I reserve the right to do the exact same thing on my land, and ban everyone who posts in this thread purely for the power trip should I want it.

NOW i know why that bedroom was so damn difficult to get out of. I was the lucky one that got away.

Exactly, it can happen by accident, like when using an old LM. I went to an LM for my own home once, but due to changes the sim owner had made (my home had moved), I landed in someone else's foyer. I noticed someone talking, so rather than looking around or just TPing out like a thief, I stood there and apologized. Of course, with lag sometimes that's not possible.

Clearly, owners should show consideration before banning. But we don't need any new rules, which would lead to enforcement issues anyway. You can't legislate politeness.

I understand the OP's frustration. Sure, it's rude to be banned for such silly reasons. However, try not to let it bother you and move on. Your reputation is unlikely to be harmed, and a way of dealing with potential ban links is mentioned above.

There should be a set of restrictions and rules.

I've got an 'avatar bill of rights' which I think should apply to places generally considered open for public traffic.

It's in the Caledon covenant if you are interested.