New L$ trading level low - L$317 / $1 USD.

To be fair the girl ' did' write could not 'couldnt' in BOTH her posts, so clearly we have her point all wrong!?
After all some-one who earns mega bucks and bonuses would have perfect written language....flawless I imagine?



Clever Girl.... I sooo envy you.. God I want to BE you! My life is so crap...please tell me the secret of your magnetic personality and wealth!

And don't you hear a word about people who feel the need to gloat about themselves are actually very insecure and ugly inside and feel 'selling themselves' will make them appear powerful and interesting

....and God forbid! Do not listen to anyone who says talking about your income is bad manners....and Heaven Forbid! If anyone even suggests in actual fact people are more likely to assume your lying and actualy are very jealous at people in SL who are making some kind of income rather that having to go out to work each day... I mean...can't they see??....its obvious this topic isnt of ANY interest at all to you ...JUST because you took the time to read it, find a pretty picture to illustrate your obvious dis-interest and reply!?? Insanity!

Dont people know that when people reply to threads it actually means theyre not at all interested but some-how compelled to reply...its a rare but dangerous illness...

Seriosuly, people should think twice before attacking people of your caliber & intelect.


Lastly Linden Labs Official Description of what Second Life is ( notice no mention of the word 'Game' but lots about 'business' and 'Money' and 'L$' and 'Land'

Second Life is a 3-D virtual world entirely built and owned by its residents. Since opening to the public in 2003, it has grown explosively and today is inhabited by nearly 100,000 people from around the globe.

From the moment you enter the World you’ll discover a vast digital continent, teeming with people, entertainment, experiences and opportunity. Once you’ve explored a bit, perhaps you’ll find a perfect parcel of land to build your house or business.


You’ll also be surrounded by the Creations of your fellow residents. Because residents retain the rights to their digital creations, they can buy, sell and trade with other residents.


The Marketplace currently supports millions of US dollars in monthly transactions. This commerce is handled with the in-world currency, the Linden dollar, which can be converted to US dollars at several thriving online currency exchanges.


Welcome to Second Life. We look forward to seeing you in-world.


...You should read the instructions before you buy into something...or maybe your confusing this with The Sims Online?

Have fun




I also only charged 100 lindens for it, for my own work only, and it was oked by Siggy in the forums. Not to mention left full modify and the scripts left complete full perms.

Everyone who makes a dress copies soemthing.

Everyone who makes a chair copies something.

What have you made lately that isn't a copy?

Oh, and Lilly? They also said Havok2 would be out by 1.7

I'll believe its a platform when that happens.

Bwahahahahaha. Care for some Hypocrite stew, Jonas?

Oh, I get it.

Its ok to copy other's ideas as long as you put the prims together yourself. But if you just take an item that was given with full perms and re-sell it, thats theft.

How symantic.

As long as you build it yourself, and gain permission from creator on use of open source scripts, yes. What you do, theft.

Was that question directed at me Jonas? If so... the answer is everything I've made lately has been completely out of my own head... the houses I've been building, the lounge suite I just made, and the new gallery I'm building for the Open Air Fine Art Gallery... totally my design, and it's looking good so far... made some sweet spotlights, and my own textures for the walls... I have no need to copy, I spent three years at art school, I know how to develop my own design. You are welcome to come and have a look anytime, you can find my land from my picks.

Lounge suites have been made before. Houses have been made before. All you are doing is copying those concepts, same as I see a bench done in stone and think 'what if I made one like that, but with a twist on the curve?'

Providing an alternative isn't copying.

That's a ridiculous argument, sorry. Calling that copying a concept is a stretch, and a huge one. Of course houses exist. Of course art galleries exist. You aren't copying a concept by making a house. You are copying a concept if you look at another house and copy it's design. Copying isn't necessarily bad, nor is being influenced by something, and it's a great way to learn... but copy someone in SL's stuff, and they'll probably be pissed.

They used to ask us to copy the works of the masters at art school to learn... but I never did, despite the sound reasons for doing so. I just can't bring myself to follow someone else's line, but that's just me.

And dude, I won't even use an open-source scripts for my stuff, even if it's a super-simple and common script... I pay someone to make them especially for me, even if it's just a door. If someone is adding value to my work, they get paid too, simple as that.

Thats what alot of those open source scripts are for - I still contact the creator.

A bench is also a concept. A stone bend is another concept. Taking inspiration form someones work and making an alternative to it in itself isn't theft. If I copied -exactly- and sold it, said I copied a Damani Shadow and put open source car scripts in..that would be idea theft.

If I make a car -similiar- to a Shadow and use open source scripts, its creation.

By similiar I don't mean one prim different either. I mean a sporty car based off the same rl model.

I wouldn't call a bench a concept in and of itself. My point is, your own activities are muddied enough for you to be on rocky ground to be slinging shots at Jamie with the frequency you do. You'd want squeaky clean hands if you're going to be taking the moral high road.

Exactly how many unsuspecting newbies do you think are reading the Land and Economy forum? My guess, bugger all. So what positive outcome is there in this crusade in this forum? If you are concerned for the newbies, do something productive, hand out notecards explaining how to check the creator of an item, to look at what they already have in their library, to have a good dig in Yadni's before they buy anything. Make it general though, no need to attack an individual.

I have no problem with you Jonas, but I feel you have taken this anti-Jamie thing to the point where it's just character assasination. Any point you may have had has been lost in the monotony of its repitition, and the point was made long ago anyway. There's only so long you can keep harping on about something, whatever the subject. It starts to appear as if you just have an axe to grind, whether that is the case or not.

True. Should only point it out at the right times, or to newbies

How come? Whats wrong with the open source scripts?

coco

They said Havoc2 would be out by the end of Summer. They must've meant by the end of THIS UPCOMMING summer (even though they made that claim over a year ago)

Still fits the definition of game. So thats what it is to me. But this isn't a thread discussing that so lets leave that be, k?

Well, one thing is clear, which is that you are DEFINATELY here to play games. Are you enjoying yourself yet?

usually, yes. But most of my suggestions are serious.

Its the sellers driving the lindex down, rationally or not. Don't take Billy's toys away to give them to Tommy, just because Tommy smashed all his. Whether it was to smash a bug or just because, Tommy broke his own toys. Let him suffer.

Nothing Coco... it's just that I'm never sure what it was intended to be free for, if I don't know the creator of the script... maybe it was meant to be free, but only for personal use, I don't know. That and I just don't like the idea that someone's work has added value to mine, and they haven't also been compensated. It's a personal thing.

Ok, as you claim a serious post, I will offer a serious reply, rather than my usual smile and nod. What is this nonsense about suggestions? What you could more accurately replace the word "suggestions" with, would be, your personal agenda.

Do you really think that posting the same thing over and over and over in some web forum will cause anyone in a position to make an adjustment to listen? Especially when your analysis is flawed to begin with? You're as crazy as the guy who's doing that reserve banking thing if you think this!

Linden Lab has real economists on staff now. Serious people, with serious training, who are here to solve serious problems for the benefit of the community. In my assessment, you should ease up on your personal agenda and let them do their jobs as they see fit. You're howling at the moon by hammering away at these personal issues in a web forum.

Seriously, I'd be shocked to learn that anyone was listening to your talk of paying for your stipend, your threats to tier down if your entitlements are reduced or removed, yada yada, etc etc.



This is just silliness. MORE silliness, that is, over and over and over, like a broken record. Anyone with any clue knows that it's a lack of buyers which is driving the L$ valuations into the ground.

We all know what the real, valid solutions to a lack of demand for L$ are too. Runaway inflation, or a reduction in supply. Either will reduce the value of your entitlement dispursal package from Linden Lab. Choose one.

Everyone with a clue knows its the stipends.

Everyone with a clue knows its lack of buyers.

Everyone with a clue knows its the sellers.

You have your choice of 'everyone with a clue' and I have mine. I only go on what I see.

As for threats..it isn't just me. I'm sure alot of premium players would go basic if the stipend was removed.

Oh, and I pick the linden devaluation to be the los of value. I don't see it as a stipend causing the devaluation so see no reason for a reduction.

My last word is that if the stipends are droped I will seek redress. After all I was promised something and intend to collect what is due me. I dont know what all of these smart people are thinking. You pay for a service you should be able to get it.
I would take a prorated refund of my premium membership fees as drop back to basic member. Have Anshe buy my land under costs and bow out. Oh I will sell all of my transfer items to one of those companys on the cheap.

Don't worry, if and when your stipend is decreased or removed, it will be done with the utmost concern for what is the fair and legal way to proceed.

I wonder how many "premium" members will drop to basic?

Also you misunderstand me, it is not the small amount of money but the principle. I bought a product and expect delivery!

Oh content providers, what are you without customers? I finished my first big build today for no cost to me but time.

If history is any indicator, not NEARLY as many as threaten to, LOL!



I'm sure that you'll probably get delivery for the entire term that you've paid for.



All of the speculation that customers will go away without entitlements is silly. The economy will function much better.

I believe the original contract with Lindens for premium accounts was that you could play the game, period. No free rides. EVERYONE used to have to pay for the service of playing the game. Then when the free accounts were created, premiums were left with the ability to own land, which everyone could do at one point (since everyone paid $15 a month to play), while the free accounts could just log in and look around, for the most part. Stipend wasn't ever in any sort of a contract agreement. Just a bonus. To top that, stippend was NEVER guaranteed to be at a certain level, and was based on things like your dwell, your amount of contribution to the game as host for parties or training sessions (gone now), and at one point even based on your popularity rankings (those things that cost $25L to vote for someone, but do jack sh*t). Some people were making much more in stipends than those who were paying for those stipends simply by attending lots of voting parties where everyone would vote for everyone else. So, don't bitch about loosing stipends. Free accounts don't get land, premiums do. THAT'S what you're paying for. Not handouts.

P.S. yes, I predate you by, like, two years. I'm so old.