Please share the data and the boring stuff Vasudha

I'm not an economist, but there are people that read this forum that have some experience of it.

I am, however, fairly smart used to data analysis and capable of reading around.

You've several times made comments about not wanting to bore us - please feel free to!

I'm not asking for the raw data, but enough summary data that we can test it for ourselves, enough information about the models and assumptions you're using that we can look them and point out places where the assumptions might not work because of some of the unique things in SL and look at what changing those assumptions mean.

I, and others, are reacting to some of your statements from a drip-feed positon. LL tends to a sharing policy, or telling us it can't and won't share. You seem to be telling us you don't want to bother us by sharing... but it won't be a bother.

I still think SL has no need and almost no place for unskilled labour, because those niches IRL economies aren't there without a revolution but if you can show us the data and the models we might be able to comment smartly and have a sensible dialog.

Actually, the raw data (anonymised and everything of course) would be interesting too. I could import it and run analyses on it at work, and it would look like I was doing real work.

Yeah, the raw data would be great. Even if names have been stripped out (replaced by say a random token)

Yes, please, and then I think you would see some really constructive feedback (not saying it's not deserved anyway).

Ditto. Bore us. We love to be bored.

I'd love to see more data too. Though I think it would be fine if it's summarised. Raw data from something like SL is not exactly transferrable using the internet.

I wonder if the data is truly just boring, or if a better term may be "worrysome". I'd love to be able to see raw data and draw my own conclusions as well. Spoon fed "facts", which are backed by top secret data that nobody is allowed to see, really don't add up to a lot.

If it's numbers - it's transferrable across the net.

Ok, give us the raw data too, since there are at least two hardy souls willing to look at it. Suitably anonymised of course...

C'mon Vasudha, please share!

It's about size, and data format maybe

Edit : oh and... please don't share the raw data

So you honestly believe somebody is going to set up a database and transfer a few 100 GB of raw data over the internet to put into it? If they've kept all relevant transaction data that's what you should expect.

Any data would be nice.

Not sharing basic information about the economy might easily create the false impression that Linden Lab may have something to hide.

And a perception is as dangerous as a reality.

Yeah, what they said...

Knowing this is such an issue that Residents of Second Life would love further info about, I've let Vasudha know about this thread.

I highly doubt it's 100GB.

Maybe 100MB. Especially after compression.

LL has posted this information before; Philip released all the land sales data for an entire month in the past; it wasnt even close to that big.

Even if the raw data isnt shared, summaries would be good; although the raw data is better, since without the data, we cant verify anything that's posted.

Could you let Vasudha know the thread she started on employment opportunitied could use some attention, and there's a thread about her comment that SL's economy doesnt' need stipends that could also use some attention.

We're all madly curious as to her influence on SL and would very much like the opportunity to know more about the ideas and education behind her comments.

Yup! Did that too.

Thankyou Torley

You are as wonderful as ever, Torley Thankies.

Welkies!

Now, this is just me speaking as me... I know how much added communication is appreciated here. I've been letting other Lindens know that when they take some time out of a busy day (gosh, so much happens) to post here with insights in their various specialties, how MUCH it is appreciated. I really cheer my coworkers on, I LOVE seeing more communication. I get so freakin' excited seeing Robin explain policy, Karen do her weekly dev updates, Andrew explain the tech behind Second Life, and more. I love it so much. Silence creates a lot of uncomfortableness, and I'd love to see more Lindens post in the SL Forums and share. I believe this time is well-spent and does much to help trust between LL and the community.

I came from a very quiet background (being autistic) and I never want to go back there. When I send something out, I appreciate a response. "Positive feedback loops." I also realize how tremendous additional info and regular updates are in providing a sense of safety and security here instead of a worrying field of question marks--especially given the dynamics of change in SL.

Right now, my position @ LL is one with emphasis on helping people connect--this includes greater Linden<--->Resident discussion. Maybe I'm kinda like Hermes that way, but with more watermelon. I am no technical expert, certainly not an economics one, but I truely feel what's going on here. I've lived an amazing Second Life, spending a lot of time inworld, and to paraphrase my Jadey: "If I can't help you myself, I'll do my best to find you someone who can."

You just rock Torley! Seriously. You couldn't have understood the situation better. Thankyou again.

Yeah, more transparency is definitely positive. It will facilitate more investment for sure, and enable people to make smarter investment decisions, which has got to be good for Linden Labs too.

The raw economic data of SL includes any transaction where L$ were transferred. Anything else is a summary. Extracts are pointless cause you'll miss data you need to do an analysis. At present I'm not even sure LL keeps the raw data and if they do it should be a few TB by now.

Even if it would be only 1GB of raw data I still doubt many people would have a use for it. How many have set up databases with economic data and have then performed analysis upon it?

An extensive summary with the option of asking for additional data summaries when something is missing would already be quite ok.