Should mainland get same tools as islands?

I've seen two posters in Linden Answers demanding the same tools as island owners.

The question is, if LL is going to give access to these to any landowner on the main grid, what incentive would anyone have to purchase an island?

There are some tools Islands have that are not possible to give to the mainland. Such as: The ability to send a sim-wide dialog, restarting your own sim - full terraform & sun/moon control. Those are global settings that wouldn't make sense to provide for mainland folks.

However, there are other capabilities that Islands have that could benefit everyone. Islands indeed get these features first - one of the benefits of being on an island. But giving things like more granular *viewing* of top scripts, and better parcel banning controls would benefit the entire community.

There is plenty of incentive to own an island while still passing a subset of these features onto the mainland.

I didn't vote in your poll, because none of the choices apply.

There are some tools, as Travis has said, that make sense only if you're the sole owner - although if you + linden land represent 100% of the owners of a sim maybe those rights should apply there too...

But many of the information tools etc. it would be wonderful to see on the mainland. We could also imagine a set up where if all the non-linden land owners request particular changes (bans for griefers springs to mind) it would be useful if the sim could extend that ban as the islands do.

Supposedly the tools for the islands are going to be rolled out as possible to the mainland. We're finally getting parcel flags accessible by script in 1.10... but no other tools have been rolled out that I'm aware of and it's a crying shame.

Um. Jennifer. Our initial outlay for the three sims we own on the mainland (which were purchased before islands existed) was GREATER THAN OR EQUAL TO the $1250/month start up costs, and we pay monthly for those sims EQUAL TO the $195/mo maintenance fee.

So I believe you are severely off base in what the reality of this situation is. Islands did not always exist. We had no "incentive" to do so, because they simply were not there. We are three sims in size.

We are right next to Ahern.

We need the tools to be feasible. Period.

Your poll is a push-poll. We pay as much as islands do. Land existed before private islands.

I Agree that main land sims need more control being i own 98% of all the available land in Clarksburg and also own 4 islands. The way the Region/estate tools work now, all changes made in the Region/Estate tools effect the entire sim. Being that almost no sim on the main land is owned in it entirety by a single individual giving these controls to main land sims is just not an option in there present form.

I voted no, because I am evil.

You voted no, because you buy and sell islands, and want to make your product more appealing.

You are hoping that builds like ours will eventually suffer enough to purchase or rent from you.

1) Many mainland sims are. Just because many are also not wholly-owned does not mean the 'baby should be thrown out with the bathwater'.

2) That has absolutely nothing to do with improved ban, mute, return, or script control on a parcel. Nor do merely 'effective' controls somehow preclude or detract from enhanced island controls.

The controls we have now are ineffective. And useless. And haven't changed since 1.0.

They need to be effective. And useful. And updated to a SL that is different than 1.0 was.

And I don't see how anyone in their right mind can argue against those two points, except for an increasingly common want for schadenfreude in the SL forums.

If people want to see my absolutely unreasonable (right.) proposal on the matter, instead of kneejerk-responding to a couple of misleading words on a poll, they can read it here and find out what is ACTUALLY being talked about.

I've seen firsthand the problem that places like Lusk has trying to control what happens in their sims and I've seen other sims completely owned by one group, I voted to give mainland sim owners teh estate tools so that things can be controlled to make everyone's time in SL more enjoyable

Are Island people against this due to Mainland Envy?

It makes total sense to let them have the tools.

There's nothing envious about trying to manage an entire mainland sim with nothing but this 'low height ban' and the ability to look stern, when a group of five 'winners' decide they want to take you on.

It's more like, "They have a mainland sim, they -deserve- to get blasted with C4 and do nothing about it, because they don't have an Estate." .... which doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

For small parcel owners it's even worse. Why should we have to be subjected to these losers just because we don't own an Estate?

Last time I checked, griefers were not part of LL's island sales force, nor is LL into asking for "protection money".

Sending a sim wide message would be plausible as long as it doesnt reach past your land. Restarting also a possiblity if all the residents of the sim agree to it with a yes or no response!!! But alot of tools are good like finding biggest collision or what scripts are causing alot of the problems in the sim. terraforming not needed but there are alot of helpful tools. I dont think we need all of em just the ones that are useful to everyone because some make no sense unless you own a sim. Some could be put to a vote system like sun position etc . But thats my theory =P

Exactly, Lina. Not all of them, but we -do- need some improvements, since there haven't been any improvements since 2003.

I take it you did not read my post cause I said "giving these controls to main land sims is just not an option in there present form.

I also said "I Agree that main land sims need more control being i own 98% of all the available land in Clarksburg"

Administrative tools, in SL, are lacking on mainland, any shard shell server would let 10x the ammount of things a mainland resident can access, island level resource tools (parcel messages, top collider/script, and others, do translate to a mainland environment and should be translated to a mainland environment.

There is currently very little one can do to reliably see what they have that's causing lag.
There's currently no way to send a parcel wide message aside from a shout.

Tools should be able to be used by parcel owners, not just estate owners.

Some don't apply (like sun position) though others do.

OK perhaps I worded that poorly. My bad.

I should have said "should mainland PARCEL owners get same tools as islands". If you own a whole sim on the grid, of course you should have Estate Tools! I would never argue against that.

I just do not see how LL can give every owner of a 512 plot that much control without a lot of work. And, should they? That was my question.

Well, Jennifer, currently, at about 140000m2, we don't. And that's what we're arguing for. Of course some tools won't be feasible for 512m2 parcels. But I don't think there are many people wavering on the border of deciding between a 512m2 parcel at $10 a month versus an entire island at $200 a month.

It's not exactly a 'tipping over' sort of scenario.

512m2 owners need improved tools too. Not "entire sim" tools, no. But as it stands, NOTHING on the mainland has ANYTHING other than the controls that were given in SL 1.0. (and actually Beta 0.90.)

But currently, we're operating 3 contiguous sims and we get nada. And when you've got 35 people in one sim and 28 in another and 15 people decide it's time to have a bit of a push bomb dance across both sims, trust me, "50 person 40m ban" is a complete laugh.

1/4 of what estate owners have would be an amazing improvement at this point.