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mcgeeb Gupte
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08-02-2006 04:51
Paypal is easy, why fix what's not broken.
ReserveBank Division
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08-02-2006 04:59
From: mcgeeb Gupte
Paypal is easy, why fix what's not broken.



Its not about fixing what is working. Nobody is saying, scrap PayPal in favor of e-Gold. This about adding e-Gold as a way for LL to deliver and receive payments. An option that "some" can utilize, while everybody else like you continue to use PayPal as your trusted friend.

Its a Win-Win for everybody. Existing Paypal lovers keep on doing business as usual. Fans of e-Gold now have a choice between Paypal or e-Gold. Nobody is screwed. So why the fuss?
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mcgeeb Gupte
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08-02-2006 05:08
From: ReserveBank Division
Its not about fixing what is working. Nobody is saying, scrap PayPal in favor of e-Gold. This about adding e-Gold as a way for LL to deliver and receive payments. An option that "some" can utilize, while everybody else like you continue to use PayPal as your trusted friend.

Its a Win-Win for everybody. Existing Paypal lovers keep on doing business as usual. Fans of e-Gold now have a choice between Paypal or e-Gold. Nobody is screwed. So why the fuss?


Well maybe LL will add it if you ask them?
ReserveBank Division
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08-02-2006 05:18
From: mcgeeb Gupte
Well maybe LL will add it if you ask them?



Ohhh you know those Lindens can't conceptualize something as revolutionary as e-Gold. It would be easier to get the Congress to scrap the Tax Code for a Flat Tax than to get LL to see the benefits of allowing the choice of e-Gold. :)
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Kathryn Heyse
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08-02-2006 05:38
From: ReserveBank Division
Ohhh you know those Lindens can't conceptualize something as revolutionary as e-Gold. It would be easier to get the Congress to scrap the Tax Code for a Flat Tax than to get LL to see the benefits of allowing the choice of e-Gold. :)


This seems to be a common point that you've made. All in all, if your honest opinion of LL is that they won't do anything to make your gameplay/money making easier, why are you even continuing to bother playing or whatever you do to make your money that you are looking for options to pull that money out of Linden, and put back in your pocket?

Just curious as why you'd continue to deal with frustration, when you aren't happy with 80% of everything this game has to offer?
Zonax Delorean
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08-02-2006 05:56
Some information from Wikipedia, which seem to match what I read and heard about e-gold over the web in the past:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-gold
From: someone

Bullion storage

As of November 2005, it is unclear if e-gold has an independent auditor of the physical bars, so there is no way of knowing if e-gold Ltd. really has the reserves to back the currency in the e-gold system. e-gold does maintain an "Examiner", a web page with updated statistics on outstanding liabilities and the total amount of each precious metal in its holding. While proponents generally consider this assuring enough, some critics remain skeptical.
[...]
Crime and fraud

e-gold has notoriously been the medium of choice for many online con-artists, with pyramid schemes and HYIPs ("High Yield Investment Programs";) commonplace. This is presumably partly due to e-gold maintaining its policy of irreversibility of e-gold transactions. According to a website [13] who maintains a comprehensive database of HYIP scams daily, 89% of the scams preferred e-gold as their online payment processors than others [14].

e-gold and OmniPay have also been accused of being a medium for money laundering, although this is questionable given that there were only 24 customer accounts holding over 10kg of gold (approximate value $200,000) by April 2006 [15]. As digital gold currency providers are not banks, they are not legally required to perform various sorts of "know your customer" background checks. However, many e-gold exchange providers require a high level of identification, sometimes more intrusive than a bank.

Opening an account at www.e-gold.com takes only a few clicks of a mouse. Customers can use a false name if they like because no one checks. With a credit card or wire transfer, a user buys units of e-gold. Those units can then be transferred with a few more clicks to anyone else with an e-gold account. For the recipient, cashing out — changing e-gold back to regular money — is just as convenient and often just as anonymous. [16]

In January 2006, BusinessWeek reported on the use of the e-gold system by ShadowCrew, an 4000-strong international crime syndicate involved in massive identity theft and fraud [17]. Omar Dhanani of Fountain Valley, California, connected to the ShadowCrew, is an e-gold customer and is said to have moved amounts ranging from $40,000 to $100,000 a week from proceeds of crime through e-gold. [18]

In response, Chairman and founder, Dr. Douglas Jackson published a letter which stated that "e-gold operates legally and does not condone persons attempting to use e-gold for criminal activity. e-gold has a long history of cooperation with law enforcement agencies in the US and worldwide, providing data and investigative assistance in response to lawful requests." He further noted that "Our staff has participated in hundreds of investigations supporting the FBI, FTC, IRS, DEA, SEC, USPS, and others." [19]


Also:
http://www.nevisfinance.com/Announcements.cfm?Idz=4&MIdz=36
From: someone

E-Gold Limited
Date: 05-Dec-2005

The Nevis Financial Services Regulation and Supervision Department wishes to advise that the website www.e-gold.com contains inaccurate and misleading information as to its legal status.

E-Gold Limited was incorporated in July 1999 under the Nevis Business Corporation Ordinance 1984 (NBCO). However, it was subsequently found not to be in good standing and was struck from the register of companies on July 31, 2003 for non-payment of fees, as required by s.99 of the NBCO. E-Gold Limited has not applied to the Registrar to be restored to the register. Therefore, it is not on the register of companies in Nevis and as such we advise that persons viewing this site or proposing to do business with E-Gold Limited should exercise great caution.

For further information, please contact the Nevis Financial Services Regulation & Supervision Department by e-mail at: [email]nevfin@caribsurf.com[/email].


Updated 31/03/06
Nowun Till
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08-02-2006 06:02
There are payment options RDB, if you look at the withdrawing funds option on the SL link

Why would LL wish to expose themselves to a more expensive and cumbersome method of taking and making payments, never mind the fact of risk.

Whilst I do not subscribe to the oft stated theory, LL own it and can do whatever they want.

At some point in time, viable competition will arise and they will be forced to listen to their customers, as the arrogant complacency of a virtual monopoly disappears.

However, that is not to say, they should or will move to every whim. But some whims, such as this are fatuous.

Many responses have been made to this thread, virtually all of which have been totally ignored or inaccuracies restated as fact by the OP, as is their way. Never let fact stand infront of yet another number on the list of postings. I do recall RBD having a posting to let everyone know they had reached 1000 postings.

If any one would like to see further alternative methods of payment, sure, that is possibly a good thing, but it needs to be in the interests of the business as well as the consumer.

The e-gold option meets neither criteria. There are plenty of other payment providers who do offer viable, though niche solutions.

As one poster has stated in this thread, for RDB who is looking at micro payments of US$1.00, ther are viable alternatives, though not as efficient or widespread as paypal, e-gold is not one of them, as I have already stated, there is an additional fee payable to a third party for moving e-gold to cash, and the minimum fee I have been able to trace is US$2.00. But the majority of customers are not looking for a US$1.00 transaction as they appreciate economically, the processing of these micro payment, does make them expensive.

I wish you all the best RDB in finding a service provider more efficient than paypal for your US$1.00 requirements. But at this level, you may find it more cost effective, to save up these lindens for a while until you are in a position to withdraw a larger amount.
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08-02-2006 06:29
From: Kathryn Heyse
This seems to be a common point that you've made. All in all, if your honest opinion of LL is that they won't do anything to make your gameplay/money making easier, why are you even continuing to bother playing or whatever you do to make your money that you are looking for options to pull that money out of Linden, and put back in your pocket?

Just curious as why you'd continue to deal with frustration, when you aren't happy with 80% of everything this game has to offer?



You can't change the world from the outside... As such, somebody has to remain to be the cattle prod of change. :)
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08-02-2006 06:31
From: Zonax Delorean
Some information from Wikipedia, which seem to match what I read and heard about e-gold over the web in the past:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-gold


Also:
http://www.nevisfinance.com/Announcements.cfm?Idz=4&MIdz=36




You do know the Wiki is written by anybody with a computer? Its not as if the information contained in the Wiki is authored by somebody who has done investigate research. For all we know, that person had a bad experience and is just out to tarnish e-Gold's name. And what is Nevis Financial's motivation? They might be an e-Gold rival, (ie: eBullion) for all we know.
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08-02-2006 06:33
From: Nowun Till


At some point in time, viable competition will arise and they will be forced to listen to their customers, as the arrogant complacency of a virtual monopoly disappears.



I couldn't have said it better. Arrogant Monopoly... That sums up LL to a tee.. :)

Send me some Gold: https://2327104.e-gold.com
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08-02-2006 08:43
From: ReserveBank Division
Just an example Tigah!! Lets use biggah numbahs for yah. Now who is saving the most again?

I never said anything about either of them saving the most... I just pointed out that your claim that PayPal was eating up 33% in fees was very misleading.


Would you like to refute that point, or would you like to accept the fact that you deliberately tried to mislead people?
Hair Akebono
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08-02-2006 08:50
From: ReserveBank Division
And what is Nevis Financial's motivation? They might be an e-Gold rival, (ie: eBullion) for all we know.


Well Nevis Financial is the Ministry of Finance for the country that is the Federation of Saint Kitts and Nevis. In particular dealing with the legalities of business on the Island of Nevis.

Basically its saying that E-Gold registered as a company on the Island of Nevis but unfortunately was struck of the register for not in being in good standing. Namely not paying its fees and not making an active attempt to renew its registration.
chastity Careless
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08-02-2006 08:56
From: ReserveBank Division
Using e-Gold instead of PayPal is much cheaper. Great article just posted this week.





you said somewhere about buying 3 dollar gold and it be worth 10 dollars in x amount of yrs, but isnt it funny if u take that 500 dollar wedding band to a pawn shop, its worth scrap value?once u own it, it depreciates. unless you keep it for 5 million yrs, by which time your dead so therefore doesnt matter to you anymore anyway. :)
Jopsy Pendragon
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08-02-2006 09:19
From: ReserveBank Division
Are you blind? Did you pass 8th grade math?

Spend Fees are the e-gold system equivalent of transaction fees. They are deducted from Recipient account upon receipt of Spend.

e-gold Spends:
AUG 1 to AUG 5 = 1% Fee


As such, $100 in e-Gold = 4.788 AUG. 1% of 4.788 AUG is 0.04788 AUG.
And 0.04788 AUG = US$1.00

Which part did you not get?



The part where you think using e-gold is cheaper.

L$ -(lindex)-> $ -(cash out)-> paypal -(wire xfer)-> my account

vs.

L$ -(lindex)-> $ -(cash out)-> e-gold -(withdraw)-> gold -(sell)-> $ -(wire)-> my account.

each '-(...)->' is another fee transaction.

I don't need 5 middle men skimming off of the money I withdraw from SL. 3 is bad enough, thanks.

Nor do I particularly want the attention of the FBI for using money laundering services. ;)

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What's not to get? It's the new math... where 5% = 1% when you want it to.
Zonax Delorean
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08-02-2006 10:02
From: ReserveBank Division
You do know the Wiki is written by anybody with a computer? Its not as if the information contained in the Wiki is authored by somebody who has done investigate research. For all we know, that person had a bad experience and is just out to tarnish e-Gold's name.


If you want to contest any important statement on the Wiki page, do so. Either correct it, or join the discussion page, etc.

For skeptics like you, the wiki page also includes REFERENCES to sources. When you see a bracketed number, like [14], you can click on it on the wiki page to go to the source material.

In contrast: the material you quoted contains no references to other sources.
BTW, why the hell is e-gold registered in Nevis (a Caribbean Island), why isn't it in the USA? What if I have a dispute with e-gold? Do I have to fly to Nevis and hire a lawyer there? Does e-gold fall under Nevis laws, disregarding USA or any other laws?
Master Quatro
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What are you all thinking !
08-02-2006 11:03
When there's a better method to transfer money profitably and take advantage of more fees perpretraded on the consumer, Linden will own it! You can be sure of that.
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08-02-2006 11:34
From: Zonax Delorean
Do I have to fly to Nevis and hire a lawyer there?


Hey mon! You need lawyer? I am Nevis BEST lawyer.
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ReserveBank Division
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08-02-2006 11:39
From: Zonax Delorean
If you want to contest any important statement on the Wiki page, do so. Either correct it, or join the discussion page, etc.

For skeptics like you, the wiki page also includes REFERENCES to sources. When you see a bracketed number, like [14], you can click on it on the wiki page to go to the source material.

In contrast: the material you quoted contains no references to other sources.
BTW, why the hell is e-gold registered in Nevis (a Caribbean Island), why isn't it in the USA? What if I have a dispute with e-gold? Do I have to fly to Nevis and hire a lawyer there? Does e-gold fall under Nevis laws, disregarding USA or any other laws?



Douglas L. Jackson (The President) registered the company in Nevis to keep US regulations from interfering with a Global Banking System he setup. Corporate registration in Nevis is inexpensive, and the government follows well-established British commercial law. But the company only exists on paper in Nevis. 99.99% of the business is run from their office at 175 E Nasa Blvd Suite 300 Melbourne, FL 32901. You can always bang on the door if you like.. :)

Incorporating overseas is nothing special. Many Insurance companies incorporate in Bermuda and are only subject to Bermuda Law. Many Cruise lines (ie: Carnival) are incorporated in Liberia. So just because e-Gold is incorporated in Nevis doesn't mean jack squat.


As for the Wiki, I think I just might go and redo their page.. :) lol
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08-02-2006 11:42
From: Schwanson Schlegel
Hey mon! You need lawyer? I am Nevis BEST lawyer.




That is racist.... Why do you have a picture of a black man smoking weed saying "Hey Mon"? You are being reported as insensitive to the people of Nevis. Assuming they are weed smokers. Terrible... LL, Ban Schwanson Schlegel for 3/days.
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08-02-2006 11:46
Anyone know what they call a homosexual Jamaican?


A pokemon!

egold isn't in good standing even in a MORE lax registry. Yeah it just lost that last sliver of trustworthiness it had.
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08-02-2006 11:50
From: ReserveBank Division
That is racist.... Why do you have a picture of a black man smoking weed saying "Hey Mon"? You are being reported as insensitive to the people of Nevis. Assuming they are weed smokers. Terrible... LL, Ban Schwanson Schlegel for 3/days.


Better....mon?

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Zonax Delorean
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08-02-2006 16:08
From: ReserveBank Division
Douglas L. Jackson (The President) registered the company in Nevis to keep US regulations from interfering with a Global Banking System he setup. [...] Incorporating overseas is nothing special. Many Insurance companies incorporate in Bermuda and are only subject to Bermuda Law. Many Cruise lines (ie: Carnival) are incorporated in Liberia. So just because e-Gold is incorporated in Nevis doesn't mean jack squat.


In a way, yes, it doesn't mean much. However, banks are built on trust. How to build trust? Well, not by running a shady business off an island, because US laws would be 'too strict' or 'too much burden'. When a bank is registered in your country, or state, you see their buildings, offices, etc. there, you know should anything go wrong, you at least have a chance to run for your money. Even though we've seen banks crash and burn in the past, too. But again, the more trust, the better. For e-gold, I'm even skeptic that they own ANY metal... Though it might be their interest to do so, because they have to produce to the user the fluctuations in gold prices in the accounts. But still... given the circumstances, they have none of my trust.

From: someone
As for the Wiki, I think I just might go and redo their page.. :) lol


Already regretting that i mentioned the possibility :)
Hair Akebono
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08-02-2006 16:27
From: ReserveBank Division
Douglas L. Jackson (The President) registered the company in Nevis to keep US regulations from interfering with a Global Banking System he setup. Corporate registration in Nevis is inexpensive, and the government follows well-established British commercial law. But the company only exists on paper in Nevis. 99.99% of the business is run from their office at 175 E Nasa Blvd Suite 300 Melbourne, FL 32901. You can always bang on the door if you like.. :)

Incorporating overseas is nothing special. Many Insurance companies incorporate in Bermuda and are only subject to Bermuda Law. Many Cruise lines (ie: Carnival) are incorporated in Liberia. So just because e-Gold is incorporated in Nevis doesn't mean jack squat.


As for the Wiki, I think I just might go and redo their page.. :) lol



But unfortuantely E-Gold as mentioned by the Nevis Financial have now been struck off the company register for Nevis Island.

So they are officially no longer a company and not a legal entity which makes it a bit awkward I think ;-)
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08-02-2006 18:23
Forget e-Gold. Lets use e-Bullion. Or GoldMoney.



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08-02-2006 22:54
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