GOM and Newbies
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alice Pinkerton
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03-05-2005 18:22
Please be warned fellow newcomers, that... if your AV is less than 30 days old, you will wait a considerable amount of time for any transactions through Gaming open market. It is NOT an instant service...and you will probably find yourself bashing your head against your kEyboard as i have been. Instead of resorting to this method of transaction, I would recommend you go and learn to play tringo... or try your luck at a casino...or sell your body on the street...as all of those methods will be less painful and quicker. (i do believe they are trying to fix the problem... but for the moment, it is a real inconvenience.)
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Meatwad Extraordinaire
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03-05-2005 18:41
From: alice Pinkerton or try your luck at a casino...) *Meatwad Extraordinaire whistles as he points innocently to his place* What? 
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Eboni Khan
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Join date: 17 Mar 2004
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03-05-2005 18:42
From: alice Pinkerton Please be warned fellow newcomers, that... if your AV is less than 30 days old, you will wait a considerable amount of time for any transactions through Gaming open market. It is NOT an instant service...and you will probably find yourself bashing your head against your kEyboard as i have been. Instead of resorting to this method of transaction, I would recommend you go and learn to play tringo... or try your luck at a casino...or sell your body on the street...as all of those methods will be less painful and quicker. (i do believe they are trying to fix the problem... but for the moment, it is a real inconvenience.) GOM is trying to protect themselves from fraud. If you have a checking account that is new a lot of places won't accept the checks. If you are a newbie why are you trying to sink RL $$ into SL before you really know what its like?
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alice Pinkerton
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03-05-2005 18:56
From: Eboni Khan GOM is trying to protect themselves from fraud. If you have a checking account that is new a lot of places won't accept the checks. If you are a newbie why are you trying to sink RL $$ into SL before you really know what its like? I understand that GOM is trying to protect themselves, however i also understand that there are many methods of payment accepted all over the internet which ARE safe for the sites offering the service and ARE instantaneous. For instance, SL itself manages to process credit cards instantly so i see no issue with GOM applying itself to the same system. If I had payed by sending a check to GOM (which would take a very long time considering my location) I would expect a considerable delay...this would be why i decide to choose an INSTANT method of payment like credit card. As for your point regarding newbies, I guess that is dependant on what you would class as one. I have been using SL for less than 2 weeks, however... I have a nice sized plot of land with a house i built from scratch... and have a fair grip on the workings of SL. I have still got a heap to learn... and would definately consider myself to be a newbie. That being said, I do know what i want to acheive on this game and also understand I will need L$ to do so. Whether or not I am "SINKING" my RL money into this game, I would definately say is a decision for me to make...as it woud appear I am the only one who knows whether or not I can afford it and whether I believe it is worthwhile.
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Jauani Wu
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03-05-2005 19:07
alice, there are three other organizations which sell L$. you should try one of them. you pay slightly more but you won't have to wait 1 month.
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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03-05-2005 19:09
GOM is a two-person operation, probably operated from a basement. They probably don't have the clout necessary to set up a proper credit system.
Besides, If they took credit cards, they would have to increase their commission takes a huge amount just to cover the costs (credit companies charge companies a percentage or a flat rate per sale), which would be a bad thing.
If you need money instantly, use Anshe Chung's service or IGE or Hank Ramos' service.
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alice Pinkerton
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03-05-2005 19:14
From: Jauani Wu alice, there are three other organizations which sell L$. you should try one of them. you pay slightly more but you won't have to wait 1 month. LOL... yes, I should try that however, I now have money tied up with GOM and dont wish to "invest" any heavier in L$ at this point in time. The biggest disappointment is that i gave over my money with the intention of using it today... you see.. I have a great deal of spare time today and was able to do a heap of looking around, shopping and building. Unfortunately, I now either have to resort to one of the methods i recommended in my original post or wander the realm of SL with L$11 in my bank...lol i doubt i will use the GOM "service" again and would certainly seek out one of the other organizations if i needed to purchase any money ever again.
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alice Pinkerton
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03-05-2005 19:19
From: Lordfly Digeridoo GOM is a two-person operation, probably operated from a basement. They probably don't have the clout necessary to set up a proper credit system.
Besides, If they took credit cards, they would have to increase their commission takes a huge amount just to cover the costs (credit companies charge companies a percentage or a flat rate per sale), which would be a bad thing.
If you need money instantly, use Anshe Chung's service or IGE or Hank Ramos' service.
LF I can see now that GOM are only small time players in the scheme of things... but there was no way to knw this when I orginally made the transaction. I am not sure about the charges going up if they implimented a credit card charge of their own as they are currently using PAYPAL who themselves get charged that same commission, add a bit and pass it on to GOM. It is a shame that SL hold links to a company that operates on such a small scale...as it definately takes away from the enjoyment of the whole game.
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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03-05-2005 19:22
From: alice Pinkerton I can see now that GOM are only small time players in the scheme of things... but there was no way to knw this when I orginally made the transaction. I am not sure about the charges going up if they implimented a credit card charge of their own as they are currently using PAYPAL who themselves get charged that same commission, add a bit and pass it on to GOM. It is a shame that SL hold links to a company that operates on such a small scale...as it definately takes away from the enjoyment of the whole game. GOM has helped the SL economy grow by leaps and bounds, and has also helped donate thousands of dollars to charities, commission free. They're a wonderful addition to the SL world.
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alice Pinkerton
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Update!!!!
03-05-2005 19:24
Well..the money is now there, which is a great thing... unfortunately, the blocks of L$ I wanted are gone...lol but at least i can get on with my life...???
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alice Pinkerton
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03-05-2005 19:29
From: Lordfly Digeridoo GOM has helped the SL economy grow by leaps and bounds, and has also helped donate thousands of dollars to charities, commission free. They're a wonderful addition to the SL world. I am sure they have...and am sure that they are very nice people to boot! Unfortunately, I think they need to look at their method of operations and make a REAL attemot to soeed things up. The whole of SL is online...you don't have to wait to go to the shops to buy a copy, you simply download it...and BANG!! you are there and playing. The whole expeience should be the same... hand over your credit card details..choose your block of $$...and BANG!! you are playing...with money to blow. I do not, in any way suggest that GOM are ripping people off...or that they intentionally hold off your money for any other reason than that they need to verify your records etc... I am suggesting that they need to look at other methods of payment to get the whole thing much more efficient.
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Moleculor Satyr
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03-05-2005 19:37
Whine whine, cry cry, be glad you can bloody buy L$ in the first place. Back in my day we had to make do with what we were given, and we couldn't even fly! We had to walk everywhere, and it was uphill! Both ways!
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alice Pinkerton
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03-05-2005 19:43
From: Moleculor Satyr Whine whine, cry cry, be glad you can bloody buy L$ in the first place. Back in my day we had to make do with what we were given, and we couldn't even fly! We had to walk everywhere, and it was uphill! Both ways! Walk everywhere up hill?? You was lucky!!!...In my day, we had to make do with living in hole in road!! ...as we had no legs,we had to drag ourselves on our stumps, 25 miles to work, got paid L$3 for 25 hours hard labour, went home and ate gravel for our tea!!! This message was proudly brought to you by the fine men of monty python...(AND WOMEN!!!)
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Hank Ramos
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Join date: 15 Nov 2003
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03-05-2005 20:08
I hate to interrupt, but you can buy L$ at http://www.hankramos.com with a credit card, no fuss, no logins, just enter your credit card detaisl (or PayPal if you wish), get a code, get your L$ inworld. Simple, no fuss. Oh and IGE and Anshe do the same thing. GOM is great (dont' get me wrong) if you like playing the market. If you just want to buy some L$, then the other L$ exchange services may serve you better.
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Salazar Jack
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Join date: 12 Feb 2004
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03-05-2005 21:11
Zeppi and Rick at GOM have been an intregal part of exchanging Linden dollars for $US dollars for quite a long time. They have helped out with inworld charities to raise money for real world needs. They have always been very responsive to my needs and concerns as a customer and have gone the extra mile with regards to customer service.
Since they were the first kids on the block with these types of services - they have also been the first to be hit with scams to defraud inworld residents and them of money a few times. They have implemented procedures to help prevent the type of scams that benefit from instant access to and the immediate transfer of electronic funds. I am glad that they have made a point to limit activity to help alleviate the effects that people who delight in taking advantage of these kinds of instant services can cause.
The others who now offer these services can benefit from the lessons learned from these pioneers. Be glad that they care to protect their customers and themselves. It's a shame that dishonorable people have caused these safeguards to be implemented. I'm just glad that honorable people, like the folks at GOM, have decided to fight back and continue to offer their services. From what I have read about similar situations with companies like Paypal, fighting fraud and protecting customers doesn't seem very high on their list of important issues.
I would also like to add my agreement that having a variety of financial services for us to choose from is a good thing. Different people will have different needs. I haven't used any other money exchange yet besides GOM, but am glad that more people are offering services. I just wanted to point out a possible reason for GOM's policy of waiting periods for transactions. If one needs immediate funds there are options for those too.
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Huns Valen
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Join date: 3 May 2003
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03-05-2005 21:34
GOM doesn't do business with people who have new accounts because he has been drilled for thousands of US$ by them. I'm not joking, he has lost four figures of real life cash to scammers. The problem is that he relies on PayPal, which makes it very easy for thieves to scam him. The crook pays him money through PayPal in exchange for L$, takes delivery of the currency, then tells PayPal that either the goods weren't delivered or that there was some other kind of fraud involved. Since there is no proof-of-delivery for him to show PayPal, they reverse the US$ transfer, and he winds up eating the losses, and the larcenous shithead gets off Scott-free with a huge pile of L$, which can then be sold to IGE or any other traders who will exchange between L$ and US$.
The only solution I can see is for GOM to sign up with a credit card processing firm, rather than staying with a company that will happily enable any comer to rip them off. Denying transactions for new accounts is a great stop-gap measure, but he's probably going to get screwed again eventually.
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Hank Ramos
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03-05-2005 22:06
No matter what you do, PayPal or some random Credit Card processing service, you cannot be immune to fraud. All of the currency exchanges are succeptible to fraud. All we can do is to minimize the risk associated with non-delivered, ecommerce transactions. 
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Ryen Jade
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Join date: 21 Jun 2003
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03-05-2005 22:50
From: alice Pinkerton Please be warned fellow newcomers, that... if your AV is less than 30 days old, you will wait a considerable amount of time for any transactions through Gaming open market. It is NOT an instant service...and you will probably find yourself bashing your head against your kEyboard as i have been. Instead of resorting to this method of transaction, I would recommend you go and learn to play tringo... or try your luck at a casino...or sell your body on the street...as all of those methods will be less painful and quicker. (i do believe they are trying to fix the problem... but for the moment, it is a real inconvenience.) (edited) Did you not notice the gigantic red/bolded/italicized lettering on the signup page? Jesus christ.
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alice Pinkerton
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03-06-2005 00:13
From: Ryen Jade (edited)Did you not notice the gigantic red/bolded/italicized lettering on the signup page? Jesus christ. oh? I am sorry...is that the way these forums work? you voice an opinion or something you thing that necessitates a warning to people..(even stating that they are trying to fix the problem).. and then people come along and insult you? I have not used slander, ridicule or insults to make my point...and i would prefer that you didn't take such a rude and offensive tone with me. All i did was to make a statement that I THINK WAS VALID...if you have a differing opinion, you are entitled to it but, perhaps you could make a half way attempt to keep it civil. In answer to your insult...sorry...question, yes I noticed the red/bolded/italicized lettering on the signup page...however, I thought it was refferring to selling and not purchasing L$ as I did not understand that there could be a problem with buying the money. If that makes me an IDIOT... then so be it. I really think that people like you make places like this uncomfortable for people, perhaps in future you might like to think before you type, that way we can have a discussion about things without having to get personal.
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Huns Valen
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03-06-2005 01:16
From: alice Pinkerton I can see now that GOM are only small time players in the scheme of things...
It is a shame that SL hold links to a company that operates on such a small scale... This is kind of a snide thing to say IMHO
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Prokofy Neva
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Join date: 28 Sep 2004
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03-06-2005 01:21
Good for you, alice. Go tell em. Stick to your guns, and don't let the fucktards let you down. I'm always annoyed when I see the impossibly arrogant and nasty greeting that the usual forum harpies and harridans give to newbies with legitimate and articulate questions that involve CONSUMER RIGHTS and not the perennial FETING OF CONTENT BARONS. KEEP TALKING and KEEP PUSHING BACK. From: someone If you are a newbie why are you trying to sink RL $$ into SL before you really know what its like? *Cough splutter*. Um...now would you know anything about what it is like to sink RL$$ into SL? Or do you um just TAKE RL $$ OUT OF SL lol? Whatever. Your condescending tone has no place in a discussion with a newb or any other player for that matter, and frankly, it's silly and pointless to discourage ECONOMIC ACTIVITY with this kind of lecture. Let them buy money on GOM, let them get their hands on Lindens, let them spend them, let it be FREE. Yes, GOM suffers the chargeback problem. I recently had a problem with PayPal getting the correct amount to GOM -- I think they must suffer all the time from both fraud and PayPal delays. It's a real risk for their business. I think they could accommodate this by simply requiring that players under 30 days have to leave some kind of pledge or deposit in the account. You could go to Hank Ramos' mall if you don't mind giving out your credit card number to a stranger on the Internet -- of course you do that on GOM as well. So far the enterprise at GIGAS mall there seems to be on the level, but we await more consumer reports, especially as to the kind of fees ultimately involved in this process. You might also consider asking an older player with an account to get you the Lindens on GOM then pay him a small fee for that service. Just a thought. It is very hard to trust people in this game, and there are ample cases of attempts at fraud but don't be discouraged. You should not have to sell yourself in a club to get along in this game.
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alice Pinkerton
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03-06-2005 01:23
From: Huns Valen This is kind of a snide thing to say IMHO Not really, i was responding to the person who said they were a small company run in a basement. I had no idea this was the case and was responding that I had no idea. In regards to my statement regarding SL, I was referring to the fact that they list and link GOM and one other (sorry, I forget its name) company to make online transactions...when there are abviously more companies, all offering the same or more efficient service. I stand by my statement that i think it is a shame...and that it definately took away from my whole SL gaming experience. I would still suggest that someone coming out and insulting someone else for making a statement is a pretty poor way to behave in an community such as this THAT has had more impact than the small problem I had earlier.
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Huns Valen
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03-06-2005 02:33
From: alice Pinkerton I would still suggest that someone coming out and insulting someone else for making a statement is a pretty poor way to behave in an community such as this THAT has had more impact than the small problem I had earlier. From where I sit, the things you said are rather unflattering, so you've basically done the same thing that he has.
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Surreal Farber
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03-06-2005 02:46
From: Prokofy Neva Good for you, alice. Go tell em. Stick to your guns, and don't let the fucktards let you down. I'm always annoyed when I see the impossibly arrogant and nasty greeting that the usual forum harpies and harridans give to newbies with legitimate and articulate questions that involve CONSUMER RIGHTS and not the perennial FETING OF CONTENT BARONS. KEEP TALKING and KEEP PUSHING BACK. LMAO. Alice don't mind Prokofy, he's really in love with his own rhetoric. Sometime if you're bored, do a search for all posts by him... make sure you set aside a lot of time though. In response to your original post, it's too bad your experience with the GOM wasn't good for you. They have had a tremendous amount of fraud aimed their way. Luckily there are several ways to buy money, as other posters have listed, hope you find one that suits your needs. Otherwise, I hope you're enjoying SL. The forums bear very little resemblance to SL, both in terms of numbers and in terms of enjoyment. Take care
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alice Pinkerton
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03-06-2005 03:05
From: Huns Valen From where I sit, the things you said are rather unflattering, so you've basically done the same thing that he has. Can you explain that please? How can you make any negative comment about anyone...ever...without it being at least a little unflattering? I am sorry...i am not going to pat GOM on the back for introducing a system that causes delays and confusion to me. How is it that when all i have done is to post a greivance...an announcement to let people see what happened to me in the hope that it doesn't happen to anyone else... I have explained things that... maybe in me being the nieve person i am...I have believed to be true... and yet you claim that is the equivelent of someone coming out and calling someone an idiot? I think that the real issue here is that allot oif people on this forum really like the guys at GOM... and hate to see anyone speak up with a problem. Well... I am sorry that i have dared to speak my mind. this is not a forum of free speaach...it is a place where you can come and talk providing you don't dare speak of anything slightly controversial. Take a look at my posts again... READ them...look for these points made... 1.(i do believe they are trying to fix the problem... but for the moment, it is a real inconvenience.) 2.I do not, in any way suggest that GOM are ripping people off...or that they intentionally hold off your money for any other reason than that they need to verify your records etc... I am suggesting that they need to look at other methods of payment to get the whole thing much more efficient. I have not some out and said... "this stupid GOM mob are a bunch of assholes who take your money and never give you anything in return".... I have stated that it is not an instant service, which... as my lovely friend up above that called me an idiot for misunderstanding stated, is plainly printed on their website. I have also stated that they need to take a look at how they do things, thus improving their service... now... if all of that, is the same as saying " you are an idiot!!"...or if i have given that impression...then i am sorry. I did not mean to defame, hurt or effect the trading of GOM, its friends or any of the other people who post on this forum. I guess I have to live with your statement...because i can never truly know "where you are sitting" or how you are interpreting my words... all i can say is, don't read into them... read them as literal... its the best way to avoid confusion.
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