urgent matter, read asap.
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Jasmin Beeks
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04-12-2006 11:08
yay for the idiots selling linden at a high amount again. please don't move this post, i want everyone to see it. No one reads the economy forum. If i get complaints saying "well people can't wait to pay land tier" or stupid shiat like that then stfu pls. If you sold for lower you'd get more money and you would have more money to pay more land tier later on.
STOP DEVALUING THE LINDEN DOLLAR!
Best buying rate: L$300 / US$1.00 Last trade: L$300 / US$1.00 Last close: L$301 / US$1.00 Change: -L$1 / US$1.00 Today's volume: L$3,066,879 Today's open: L$301 / US$1.00 Today's high: L$570 / US$1.00 Today's low: L$299 / US$1.00 Today's average: L$300.88 / US$1.00
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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04-12-2006 11:19
The average shows to me that somebody trying to panic the market sold about $L300 extremely high, while everyone else ignored him.
The sky isn't falling.
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Steve Steed
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04-12-2006 11:29
moved to Land and Economy. From: someone No one reads the economy forum Yes ppl do.
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Geepa Lazarno
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04-12-2006 11:29
I haven't seen anything to indicate conspiracy where LindEx is concerned. Might it just be the normal economics of currency exchange, based on which currency (dollars or lindens) which people prefer or value more?
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Ricky Zamboni
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04-12-2006 11:30
From: Geepa Lazarno I haven't seen anything to indicate conspiracy where LindEx is concerned. Might it just be the normal economics of currency exchange, based on which currency (dollars or lindens) which people prefer or value more? Damn you and your 'logic' and 'rational thought'. We don't much care for that in these here forums.
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Cheyenne Marquez
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04-12-2006 11:33
From: Jasmin Beeks No one reads the economy forum 
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Lewis Nerd
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04-12-2006 11:44
From: Jasmin Beeks yay for the idiots selling linden at a high amount again. Yay indeed! It means the buyers get better value for money! More game money for less real money means we'll spend a little more, which means all the sellers in game get more money as we have more to spend. I look forward to the exchange rate increasing to L$350 or more! Lewis
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Elde Eponym
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04-12-2006 11:55
From: Geepa Lazarno I haven't seen anything to indicate conspiracy where LindEx is concerned. Might it just be the normal economics of currency exchange, based on which currency (dollars or lindens) which people prefer or value more?
And really, you don't need a conspiracy - or a vast amount of $L to drive the market down. Based on observing the market over the last few weeks, a million $L at a given sale level is all it takes to trigger the psychological leap by the next seller to price his sale one $L lower to get at the head of the line. The next few sellers match that price, then the cycle triggers again.
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Enabran Templar
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04-12-2006 12:09
Where are all these economically clueless posters coming from?
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Lecktor Hannibal
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04-12-2006 12:10
From: Enabran Templar Where are all these economically clueless posters coming from? There?
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Eloise Pasteur
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04-12-2006 12:12
From: Geepa Lazarno I haven't seen anything to indicate conspiracy where LindEx is concerned. Might it just be the normal economics of currency exchange, based on which currency (dollars or lindens) which people prefer or value more? Really? I'm not an economist by trade, but I am a very experienced interpreter of statistics. The pattern of means + spread on Lindex is very peculiar - although without additional data it's hard to be entirely sure what's going on. If you look at any other exchange rate over a month or so, with daily highs and lows I strongly suspect you'll find the range more or less evenly spread around the mean rate, maybe not on every day, but on most. The UKĀ£ to US$ generally shows this for example. L$ are not traded on quite a typical free market I guess, but the consistency of the spikes up above the main trading rate and the (general) consistency of the size of them strongly suggests that someone is deliberately selling short. We don't normally know how much is being sold short unless we happen to catch it, but whenever I've sold on LindeX I've sold at the best rate or the best rate +1 and sold within a couple of hours each time, usually within minutes in fact. That's fine, because I'm cashing out for paying my tier, so I want a fast sell. I also want a good price though. Is there any reason for selling 10 points, or 200 points, off the rate other than pushing the market when selling at 1 point off gives you quick sales in my experience?
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Gigs Taggart
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04-12-2006 12:44
Eloise,
It's obvious you aren't an economist, since the Lindex doesn't have a spread, all buy orders are market orders, a spread can't exist.
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Ricky Zamboni
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04-12-2006 12:55
From: Gigs Taggart Eloise,
It's obvious you aren't an economist, since the Lindex doesn't have a spread, all buy orders are market orders, a spread can't exist. I'm sure she meant intraday high-low spread rather than an ask-offer spread.
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Shadow Garden
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04-12-2006 13:01
From: Lewis Nerd Yay indeed! It means the buyers get better value for money! More game money for less real money means we'll spend a little more, which means all the sellers in game get more money as we have more to spend.
I look forward to the exchange rate increasing to L$350 or more!
Lewis Until the sellers price all their items higher to compensate and shift the whole pricing scheme upwards. Nasty circle you create.
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Eloise Pasteur
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04-12-2006 13:23
I meant what I assume is the range of selling points, but since it's not clearly defined as such anywhere that I can see I balked at using the correct technical term. Sorry I used one that is a technical term for day trading.
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Jillian Callahan
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04-12-2006 13:46
From: Shadow Garden Until the sellers price all their items higher to compensate and shift the whole pricing scheme upwards. Nasty circle you create. Not nessesarily. I've felt no need to raise my prices and I really don't think I'll need to consider it unless we have a real, full-on, 15% drop in a day sort of market change. "Landlords" may have to, as thier L$ values are more closely connected to Lindex market conditions, but I'm not sure the imact that would have on the economy. One of the factors oft overlooked in this particular economy as it related to the LindeX is interest. No, not the banking sort. The only thing driving most SLers to buy from LindeX is interest in spending the L$ on things in-world. It's not an investment, it's not playing the market, it's a luxury expense. I belive LL made a few major mistakes along those lines that we're paying for now. Event funding being the major one. Now we have a "tradition" of folks expecting thier entertainment to pay them for being there, or at least a hope of it in the form of prizes. Camping chiars and thier ilk being only the most recent iteration of that "tradition". This means there's far less interest in purchasing L$ for anything. Camping and prize hunting are seen as a matter of basic income in a game where L$ are points instead of the L$ being seen as a micro-paymnet system similar to the tokens of a video-game arcade. It is my belief that the summer season in the northern hemisphere attracting folks to outside fun combined with people simply getting bored with SL fare and wandering off to find more interesting things to do are the major drivers behind this market "depression". Reducing the monitary pool wil help a bit, yes. More patience when selling would help a bit too. Neither will fix the problem becasue they don't address the problem. The market that needs work is the one where folks pay for thier entertainment in SL, it's not the LindeX.
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Seigmancer Nino
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04-12-2006 21:58
Best buying rate: L$300 / US$1.00 Last trade: L$300 / US$1.00 Last close: L$301 / US$1.00 Change: -L$1 / US$1.00 Today's volume: L$3,066,879 Today's open: L$301 / US$1.00 Today's high: L$570 / US$1.00 Today's low: L$299 / US$1.00 Today's average: L$300.88 / US$1.00
no no no you got it all wrong, by the end of the day it looked more like this
Daily Summary: Best buying rate: L$300 / US$1.00 Last trade: L$300 / US$1.00 Last close: L$301 / US$1.00 Change: -L$1 / US$1.00 Today's volume: L$8,496,015 Today's open: L$301 / US$1.00 Today's high: L$900 / US$1.00 <------- Thats right, 900$L again Today's low: L$299 / US$1.00 Today's average: L$300.52 / US$1.00
I dont get why anyone would sell at this rate. makes absolutely no sense, the only sense i can see of it, is, to purposly distrupt the averages and further incite economical worries some may have.
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mcgeeb Gupte
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04-12-2006 22:54
From: Seigmancer Nino Best buying rate: L$300 / US$1.00 Last trade: L$300 / US$1.00 Last close: L$301 / US$1.00 Change: -L$1 / US$1.00 Today's volume: L$3,066,879 Today's open: L$301 / US$1.00 Today's high: L$570 / US$1.00 Today's low: L$299 / US$1.00 Today's average: L$300.88 / US$1.00
no no no you got it all wrong, by the end of the day it looked more like this
Daily Summary: Best buying rate: L$300 / US$1.00 Last trade: L$300 / US$1.00 Last close: L$301 / US$1.00 Change: -L$1 / US$1.00 Today's volume: L$8,496,015 Today's open: L$301 / US$1.00 Today's high: L$900 / US$1.00 <------- Thats right, 900$L again Today's low: L$299 / US$1.00 Today's average: L$300.52 / US$1.00
I dont get why anyone would sell at this rate. makes absolutely no sense, the only sense i can see of it, is, to purposly distrupt the averages and further incite economical worries some may have. I certainly could use some at 900$L per 1.00. Take them and sell them at current market price and make a profit. 
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Cocoanut Cookie
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04-12-2006 23:37
Explain to me this:
If I always kept punching that "buy Lindens" button all the time I'm on, I might sometimes see $900 Lindens for a dollar?
And I could buy them then, at that price?
coco
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mcgeeb Gupte
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04-12-2006 23:47
Yes if you can actually catch it before its gone.
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Maximillion Grant
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04-12-2006 23:48
From: Cocoanut Cookie Explain to me this:
If I always kept punching that "buy Lindens" button all the time I'm on, I might sometimes see $900 Lindens for a dollar?
And I could buy them then, at that price?
coco Yep but it only shows what the rate was, not how many lindens were sold at the price. For all we know it could have been 1 linden (unless there's a minimum sell amount, I'm not sure).
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Nepenthes Ixchel
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04-12-2006 23:48
From: Cocoanut Cookie Explain to me this:
If I always kept punching that "buy Lindens" button all the time I'm on, I might sometimes see $900 Lindens for a dollar?
And I could buy them then, at that price?
coco Yes.
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Pix Paz
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04-13-2006 00:29
Everybody! Look closely again at the stats - I think you might find something interesting.
Not...
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Jonas Pierterson
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04-13-2006 03:19
The lindens can drop all they want. I don't cash out. I don't care how many lindens it costs to cash out one US $
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Cocoanut Cookie
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04-13-2006 07:17
All right, now - if I click on it and I don't "catch it," as you say, will I automatically be charged whatever the next one up is?
coco
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