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Current Land Prices

Ananda Sandgrain
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Join date: 16 May 2003
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02-03-2005 17:25
Haney perhaps you should look to some other source for any enlightenment you hope to get on what SL'ers think of land sales.
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Hokuto Gorham
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Join date: 21 Dec 2004
Posts: 95
02-04-2005 02:54
As a small time player (tiny, only starting but with solid base) I wouldn't like to see the value of land move backwards.

Well if a player buys some over priced land from some mean land dealer then that player should not be surprised to see his land value drop down to a more realistic value.

This is one reason why I think Anshe is cool. She does not go crazy with inflated prices.
I have seen plots owned by other land dealers close to Anshe plots and these other land dealers sell same size and type of plots for 50% to 100% more then Anshe prices.
This is why many plots of land do not sell for long time... some prices are just stupidly high.

Anyway... back to land value.
It it surely nicer for a player when buynig a plot of land to know that his money is well spent and not going down the drain.

From my point of view, if people are ready to accept that it is ok for your land to be worth less after you buy it... then what is the point in paying the current price? If a certain stability in land value does not exist, why would you pay L$3000 today for a 512m2 plot of land if you know and are happy with the idea that in a few weeks times it will only be worth L$2000..... maybe because 3 more new sims have just been added to the grid and stuff like that.

A certain level of scarcity in land and Sims would be a good thing as it could keep existing Sims more populated making it easier for people to socialize. It would help each current/old Sim to become more popular and useful possibly because with less land whatever it is built on it receives more attention and pressure to be good, or people will see it as a waste of space. But with infinite SIMs people will just look elsewhere without pushing improvement of current builds and landscaping. More traffic on less land will also rewards more every ones effort in creating entertainment and especially for those people building useful things good for the whole community like Libraries etc…

Less SIMS will give Lindens a chance to use more resources to control, manage and power existing SIMS to make the current grid a better place to be in. With less new SIMs coming up they could put new hardware in to replace old servers instead to add a new SIM to make the current Grid generally faster without losing out on subscriptions because with the amount of total and current unused/unsold plots there is plenty of space for more people to join SL as basic and premium accounts without the need of adding a few new SIMS… Of course LL still need a trigger to go and add a new SIM, but this trigger should be less easy to activate allowing current SIMS to get a bit fuller and with more powerful hardware…

Something along these lines would still bring money in for LL as we have enough land to host many more players, benefit all SIMS with new hardware focused to improve current grid, and easier management with less new sims-servers to maintain in the shorter term, and a general awareness that space/land has some value because we are not going to have a new SIM added every day.

Then when LL see that land prices may start to go crazy and new players may be falling victims of inflated prices to the hands of mean land dealers… then add one or a few new SIMS to keep things under control… also there will always be users buying and creating a new highland that usually offers more space anyway for malls, or residences or parks etc..

Now I’m at work and I was typing up things as they where coming out.. so refrain yourselves from correcting spelling mistakes or other silly comments… the kind of stuff only makes me laugh :)
blaze Spinnaker
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Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
02-04-2005 04:28
Prok is a vital SL resource, please treasure him rather than running him off like all the rest that dare to care.

Yes, he's tackling everything from a rather unexpected and rare angle .. but not too many else here has either the energy or the unique perspective to do the same.

Rather than arguing with him, how about thinking of ways to channel his focused energy on you into something positive?

And, btw, I always have to relook at Wu's join date to remember that he's FIC because he acts like anything but.
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Weedy Herbst
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Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
02-04-2005 04:59
2 negatives make a positive. I guess thats Prok's theory.
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Walker Spaight
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Join date: 2 Jan 2005
Posts: 281
02-04-2005 06:27
If anyone would like to talk about land prices in a thread that will hopefully remain free of personal attacks, click on over to here:

/130/31/34941/1.html#post374795

Anyone who prefers to slug away, please stay in the current thread. Thanks.
Jauani Wu
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Join date: 7 Apr 2003
Posts: 3,835
02-04-2005 09:03
From: Hokuto Gorham
From my point of view, if people are ready to accept that it is ok for your land to be worth less after you buy it... then what is the point in paying the current price? If a certain stability in land value does not exist, why would you pay L$3000 today for a 512m2 plot of land if you know and are happy with the idea that in a few weeks times it will only be worth L$2000..... maybe because 3 more new sims have just been added to the grid and stuff like that.


the land doesn't necessarily depreciate, but it usually does.

new sims are faster than old sims
new sims are uncluttered and inspire
new sims are more flexible to people tier needs and land type needs.

now that does not mean old sims are worthless or that the general trend is unavoidable. it is due to peoples perceptions and peoples practices.

look at many of the inner sims, the ones from before june 2003. they are coveted by sentimental oldbies.

land with beautiful geographic features will be likely to hold more value.

but there land can potentially have MORE value than before. and this is by a desirable development of that land or the neighbourhood/sim as a whole. for example - which new clothing designer would not want to be located in the fight path between the telehub and charteuse? boardman was worthless a few months ago and now becuase of player effort, a very small plot sold for 150$. you won't find land looking towards the ravenglass development at market price for long.
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Unhygienix Gullwing
I banged Pandastrong
Join date: 26 Jun 2004
Posts: 728
02-04-2005 10:09
Land can also increase in value if it contains specs or features that are not available in the older sims. City property (double prim limits) and terraformable land are becoming more and more valuable as time goes on, server specs regardless because the new sims do not have those features.

I would recommend that if LL does intend to keep these sims in-place, they also speckle the newly arriving landmasses with some similiar land areas. Perhaps a new small city area, perhaps a fully terraformable peninsula. It's certainly do-able, and without too much extra effort LL can continue to add variety to the land market.
Charlotte Gillespie
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Join date: 19 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,101
02-05-2005 12:38
From: Weedy Herbst
Thanks for the spelling correction. There is not enough room in the threads to correct yours.


As a linguist, I can say that I have seen very, very few spelling errors in Prokofy's posts.
Unhygienix Gullwing
I banged Pandastrong
Join date: 26 Jun 2004
Posts: 728
02-05-2005 13:09
As a lover of bad puns who has a modicum of restraint, I'll avoid asking you any questions about how clever or devious you are.
Randomal Manimal
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Join date: 19 Jan 2005
Posts: 3
02-05-2005 16:38
I posted in another thread on this topic today. I am a newbie having come here from other online 3D chats/games. I have several friends who have done the same, at the moment we are watching to see what happens we have paid the lifetime $9.95 fee but wont move to premium membership at the moment.

Non of us plan to make that change until we see land we like show up in the base rated L$512 category for the landless, that is a lost income to LL, so if all the suggestions made in here of cutting back the amount of new land available are followed by LL then I guess they will lose out on potential income from me and others like me. Maybe that will prove to be a sound business decision but I doubt it.

We want waterfront but all the new stuff being built is landlocked so come on LL build in lakes and lots of convoluted coastline to provide the type of water front land lots of us newbies want to live on.

For now I am content to play the game and do without property and the monthly charge that goes with it.
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